Helping Iraqis take control of their domestic security is the key goal of U.S. forces stationed in Iraq, said Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, who visited U.S. military facilities in Germany January 31 and in Iraq February 1.

In an interview with the Armed Forces Network, Wolfowitz underscored the two major missions of the 1st Infantry Division as it moves in to take the place of the 4th Infantry Division. "One is to work with the Iraqi people to build their confidence and to defeat the people that are still trying to terrorize and intimidate them, and the other is to build Iraqi capacity for their own political and security affairs," he said.

He added, "I would put in that category one of the most important things our troops are doing, and they do it on a scale that is still not appreciated, is training Iraqis to stand and fight for their own country."

During a media availability in Germany, the deputy secretary highlighted the importance of creating confidence in the possibility for a better future. "There are an overwhelming majority of Iraqis who hate that old regime and want to live in a free country. We have to convince them that that is their future, because if you've been living under that kind of fear for that long you're still going to sit on the fence for quite a while before you decide that it's safe to climb over on our side," he said.

He continued, "Building confidence in the future, which is something that our soldiers are doing every day, is a week-by-week progress in Iraq, but we've been making I think very real progress."

After visiting a police station in Baghdad, Wolfowitz said, "There's real pride among those Iraqis who are on the frontlines fighting for their country. There are more and more of them every day and that's how we're going to win this."

The deputy secretary said, "One of the things that I'm determined to do is to make sure that we are able to move the supplemental funding as quickly as possible into the equipping of the police force and the defense corps."

Responding to a journalist's question about the dual suicide bombings at the headquarters of Kurdish parties in Irbil, Wolfowitz said, "They attacked precisely at a time when people were gathered to celebrate one of the holiest days in the Muslim calendar -- the Eid al-Adha. It just speaks volumes about what these extremists are all about. They are not about Islam, they're not about Muslims. They are about their own fanatical view of the world and they will kill to try to advance it."

U.S. Department of Defense News Briefing
Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz
Saturday, January 31, 2004

(Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz Media Availability)

(Participating were Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz and Army Maj. Gen. John R. S. Batiste, commanding general, 1st Infantry Division.)

Wolfowitz: It's been a short but wonderful visit here, to meet an old friend, General Batiste, and to get briefed on the plans for the 1st Infantry Division to deploy to Iraq. It's a great tradition with a great history, and also a great present. Wonderful leadership and wonderful spirit among the troops.

One of the statistics we heard, I'm not sure if you heard it before, is that even though this division has been deployed I think more intensely than any other division in the Army in the last couple of years with Balkan deployments, it also has the highest retention rate in the Army. We saw wonderful spirit among the families earlier today in their preparations to face a year of having their loved ones far away from home in difficult and dangerous conditions. And as I said to the families, the positive energy you sensed in that room was very inspiring.

The biggest challenge in the immediate term is doing this big rotation of forces. Just the sheer movement itself in insecure conditions is a challenge. But that handoff from one division doing a very complicated job to another division taking over that complicated job is, you have your work cut out for you. But I must say based on the briefings that we heard today, they have really thought this through carefully. They had the experience of doing this kind of left seat/right seat handoff in Bosnia and Kosovo multiple times over the last number of years, so I think it's been thought through as well as it can possibly be and I think it will go successfully.

I think I'd just like to conclude by taking my opportunity once again to publicly thank our troops and their families for the incredible support they give our country. The skill and the courage with which they face the challenges of this war are something we as Americans have to be always grateful for.

We'll take a few questions if you'd like.

Q: General Batiste, what is it that you will be able to bring there? What can you do differently than the 4th ID has done to move along the security situation and make it more secure than it is now?

Batiste: Initially we're going to take over from the 4th Infantry Division in every respect. They've done a great job in Iraq and I really commend them for what they've accomplished.

We will conduct a deliberate relief in place, so the answer to your question initially is I'm going to do exactly what the 4th Infantry Division is doing today and then I'll take it from there.

Q: From there any thoughts about what to do differently? You talked about using different kinds of equipment, for instance, and having a slightly different mission than they had going prepared for a war.

Batiste: The mission is the same. We have done a lot to upgrade our equipment in the past three or four months with respect to armored kits on soft-skinned vehicles, with respect to radios, and with respect to up-armored HUMVEES.

Q: Secretary Wolfowitz, I wanted to ask you what you thought about David Kay's comments that he does not believe any weapons of mass destruction existed in Iraq, and whether, how much hope do you hold out that such weapons still can be found? I'm talking about biological, chemical stockpiles.

Wolfowitz: I think I've said before you have to make decisions based on the intelligence you have, not on the intelligence you're going to discover later. It's very important to try to have the best intelligence you possibly can have. I think our intelligence community has done some extraordinary work. We've seen it just recently with Libya where they basically caught the Libyan regime cheating on the non-proliferation treaty. We saw it a couple of years ago when they caught the North Korean regime cheating on the 1994 Nuclear Framework Agreement. I believe, and I want to be careful, I certainly haven't read every statement by David Kay, I think it's clear if we move away from the stockpiles issue that the Iraqi regime was cheating on Resolution 1441 which was in fact their last and final chance to comply with a whole series of U.N. resolutions.

But obviously intelligence is very important. It's very important to try to work any time. It's imperfect. It's not a science, it's an art. It's important to work to understand where you got it right, where you got it wrong, but we could not possibly accomplish what we do in the world without magnificent work by our intelligence community.

Q: Did you say it's clear we move away from stockpiles? Is that what you said? I just want to make sure I heard you right.

Wolfowitz: I said --

Q: In terms of stockpiles.

Wolfowitz: I believe whatever David Kay has said about stockpiles of weapons, that I think his reports have also made clear that Iraq was not complying with Resolution 1441.

Q: So you believe that [if no] WMD is found in Iraq in the future, do you still believe that the war against Iraq was justified?

Wolfowitz: We have an important job to do in Iraq, an absolutely critical job to do, and that is to help the Iraqi people build a free and democratic country. I think you heard earlier today even in the support group that the Victory Division is defining victory, and we haven't made it yet in Iraq but we're heading there and it's going to be a very important turning point in the whole war on terrorism. The Middle East for the last 20 years has been heading down the wrong road. We've seen some of the results of that on September 11th. The Iraqi people have a chance now to start turning the course of history and putting it on the right road. That's what we have to keep our eye on.

Q: On the present situation in Iraq, one of the things we've heard a lot is, General Abizaid has said this, others have said this, you have said this I believe, that there are a finite number of enemies. You can give the figure 5,000. We believe there are 5,000 here, 4,000 there. How confident are you that there is a finite number, and couldn't that number be growing given what's going on? Going back to Secretary Rumsfeld's slog memo.

Wolfowitz: There is a finite number but we're not talking mathematical. I have never said that we know the number with any kind of precision. In fact what I've tried to emphasize is for 35 years that country was ruled by murderers and torturers. They numbered in the tens of thousands. Saddam didn't kill a million people all by himself. Those people are still around. Some of them have decided to continue killing Americans and Iraqis because they somehow believe they'll get back to power.

Our goal is to kill and capture as many of those people as we can find; to encourage the others to recognize it's a new and different Iraq. But most importantly for the 95 percent or so of Iraqis, and I didn't (Inaudible.) number. There are an overwhelming majority of Iraqis who hate that old regime and want to live in a free country. We have to convince them that that is their future, because if you've been living under that kind of fear for that long you're still going to sit on the fence for quite a while before you decide that it's safe to climb over on our side. Building confidence in the future, which is something that our soldiers are doing every day, is a week-by-week progress in Iraq, but we've been making I think very real progress.

The capture of Saddam Hussein was obviously a huge step in that direction, but there's still a lot more to do.

Q: General Batiste, do you think when you get there that your time is going to be primarily spent on going after former regime loyalists and anti-coalition forces? Or is it going to be primarily on the reconstruction and civil affairs work? How do you think that's going to come down?

Wolfowitz: I think it's going to be done simultaneously. On the one hand we'll be killing and capturing terrorists and foreign fighters, those kinds of people. Simultaneously we've got our work cut out with respect to stability and support operations to set the conditions for Iraqi civil/military self reliance.

Q: Thank you.

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U.S. Department of Defense News Briefing
Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz
Saturday, January 31, 2004

(Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz Interview with the Armed Forces Network)

Question: Joining us today is Deputy Secretary of Defense Mr. Paul Wolfowitz. May I take this opportunity to welcome you to Wurzburg, Germany, and the home of the Big Red One.

Wolfowitz: It's good to be here.

Q: I'm glad you are here, by the way.

There's a major rotation taking place in and out of Iraq in support of the war on terrorism and the 1st Infantry Division going down to replace the 4th Infantry Division. What do you see as 1st ID's main role and challenges during this deployment?

Wolfowitz: The main role, with all our wonderful troops in Iraq, is to help the Iraqi people stand on their own feet and build a free and democratic Iraq which is a big challenge, but I think they've already made enormous progress in the eight months since we liberated Baghdad. The troops have done an absolutely incredible job.

At a more division-focused level, (Inaudible.) has laid out very clearly the two major missions of this force. One is to work with the Iraqi people to build their confidence and to defeat the people that are still trying to terrorize and intimidate them, and the other is to build Iraqi capacity for their own political and security affairs.

I would put in that category one of the most important things our troops are doing, and they do it on a scale that is still not appreciated, is training Iraqis to stand and fight for their own country. There are almost 200,000 Iraqis now in the police and the Facilities Protection Service and the army the border guard, and a fifth force which I think is maybe the most important one, called the Civil Defense Corps. The Civil Defense Corps people are all trained by our divisions. One of the big missions the 1st ID will take over from the 4th ID is training the Civil Defense Corps in that important area which is sometimes called the triangle area.

Q: Do you see any challenges for the 1st ID?

Wolfowitz: Oh, huge challenges. I'm sure they're going to do a magnificent job.

One of the big challenges, and we had some very good briefings on it today, is the handoff, because we're not just handing off a tactical battle from one division to another division, and that's a tricky enough operation in military terms, but you're handing off a whole political/military set of relationships where the 4th ID has built incredibly important relations with local people throughout their area of operation. 1st ID is going to need to pick those up in as seamless a way as possible.

One of the very good things is they've developed this whole technique called the left seat/right seat handoff through many rotations in Bosnia and Kosovo that presented exactly the same kind of challenge. The plan they presented us today is very systematic and well thought through, so I'm feeling good about it.

Q: Having the opportunity to go around and visit with the 1st ID troops and their family members, and their part in Operation Iraqi Freedom, how prepared do you think they are to handle the mission?

Wolfowitz: Very well prepared. They're well trained, well led, psychologically equipped, I think, and really thinking about the mission. The fact that they've done these deployments to the Balkans also means they have a sense of what this kind of stabilization mission entails. It's harder in Iraq because we're still fighting an enemy there, but I think that experience in the Balkans should be valuable.

Q: Now that the year-long Operation Iraqi Freedom I is getting (Inaudible.) pretty soon Iraqi Freedom II. What do you think families can expect from a year-long deployment now that one's already been done?

Wolfowitz: We had a very good meeting with the Family Readiness Group here. Colonel Kalenda is obviously an outstanding officer and General Batiste is dedicated to this whole family support mission. It's a challenge. It's an enormous challenge. Just the idea of being separated from your loved one for a whole year under any circumstances is difficult, and in circumstances dangerous, obviously much more difficult. It almost is inspirational to see the spirit of the families pull together to support their troops. That's the key to success, because the more the soldiers in the field can keep their eye on the mission the more successful they'll be, the safer they'll be, and in the long run everyone benefits from it. But that requires a lot of [mutual] assistance from families to get through these times.

One of the things we're trying very hard to do in the Defense Department, I'd say 98 percent successful, but 98 percent isn't good enough, is to give people real certainty that it is a one-year deployment. At the end of one year they're coming back home to their families here.

I found it also impressive that 99 percent of the families have chosen to stay here in Germany with the other families instead of going back to hometowns in the United States. That's a real vote of confidence in the support network that's provided here.

The other vote of confidence which is really inspirational is this division is one of the highest units (Inaudible.) in the Army. Even though they've had one of the most stressful sequences of deployment in the Army. So they are obviously incredible patriots and we are very, very grateful for that.

Q: Waging a war on terrorists is no easy task. How do you think we're doing and what steps are still necessary for our success?

Wolfowitz: I think we've made a great deal of progress, enormous progress on many fronts. But this is a big problem. It's developed over some people would say 10 years, some would say 20, some would even say 30. It's certainly been a very long time. It's not going to disappear overnight. But the fact that 2500 people in Afghanistan have been liberated from an evil bureaucratic regime, and they've just ratified a new constitution that guarantees equal rights for men and women and does some other very good things, that's a huge victory against terrorism. The fact that Iraq, 25 million Iraqis have been liberated from a regime of sadists and torturers (Inaudible.). It was one of the most brutal regimes around. That's a liberating event that allows one of the first opportunities in the Arab world for Arabs to demonstrate that there's a much better path for their people to follow than the one the terrorists are offering. We're hunting and capturing large numbers of terrorists. I would say every time they score what looks to them like a tactical victory when they kill people in Indonesia, they kill people in Saudi Arabia, they kill people in Turkey, what we're finding is instead of it being a strategic victory for the terrorists it makes more people angrier. The Saudis are now chasing them in a way they never did before; the Indonesians are chasing them in a way they never did before; the Turks are much more united against terrorists than they were before.

So I think we're making progress. But let's make no mistake. It's a long war. It's a different kind of war. The victory in Iraq which the 1st Infantry Division is going to help us win is going to be a major contribution to that longer term [objective].

Q: Speaking of changes, since the end of the Cold War, the military has been in a constant state of change. How do you see the role of the forces stationed in Europe in particular changing over the next decade?

Wolfowitz: You said it correctly, a constant state of change. The Cold War, which was not a pleasant chapter in history, did have a certain kind of iron stability to it. We knew we had to have multiple divisions in Germany year after year after year because there were 20 Soviet divisions in East Germany and another 100 or so divisions backed up behind them. We planned rigorously around that kind of scenario.

We discovered -- the Soviet threat went away, and that's a good thing, but the world didn't suddenly become a marvelous, totally peaceful place. But we need to be able to deal with the unpredictable. If anyone had said in the summer of 2001 that we were going to fight a war in Afghanistan I would have said you're crazy. Well, maybe not quite that radical. I would have stopped and thought about it.

So the key in designing and deploying our forces now is flexibility, the ability to respond rapidly to changing situations, the ability to apply the right amount of force which sometimes may be much smaller than a big force to get there quicker. In the Pentagon we are reshaping our global footprint which means more in some places, less in other places, but generally to be lighter on our feet I think is a way to think about it.

Q: Since you are at the Pentagon, hearing the lingo that you're talking about, us servicemen that are stationed overseas, we tend to forget or not hear (Inaudible.) what the American people are saying, their view. What do you think their view is of the military stationed overseas right now?

Wolfowitz: It is overwhelmingly positive. I want to say this very clearly. You can read a lot of debates about a particular issue, about whether the war in Iraq was the right war at the right time. None of that translates into (Inaudible.) about the military.

A case in point, Time Magazine Man of the Year, Person of the Year, and it's the American Soldier. That I think just about says it all except it doesn't say what I'd like to say which is we are so grateful for the dedication and commitment and patriotism (Inaudible.), and the extraordinary level of skill and competence that's been displayed in the last couple of years. It makes you proud to be an American.

Q: Thank you so much for your time, sir. I hope you enjoy the rest of your visit with the Big Red One.

Wolfowitz: Thank you very much.

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U.S. Department of Defense News Briefing
Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz
Sunday, February 1, 2004

(Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz Availability at Baghdad International Airport)

This is my third trip to Baghdad in the nine months since the liberation of Baghdad. It's exciting to be back here. It always is. I'm looking forward to three things. Number one is to visit with our commanders and troops and get a sense of what they see is the situation on the ground. I always learn an enormous amount from them. I also learn about things we can help back in Washington.

Right now, I think you know we are engaged in a major movement. Essentially we're moving a city of 125,000 people back home, and another city of 125,000 people here to Iraq in the space of a few months. It's an enormous undertaking. Not just logistically, but if you think about all the connections that have to be made between the arriving units and the departing units. It's going to be very interesting to hear how that is going. We got a taste of that already from the 1st Infantry Division.

Secondly, to assess progress in this country in the two months since I was last here. It's been a very eventful three months. It's included the capture of Saddam Hussein, which is a major event for the Iraqi people and for the whole effort here. It includes the decision to move to a sovereign Iraqi government on July 1 which is very important and I'm interested in that process.

And then finally, or maybe first not last, it gives me the opportunity to thank the incredible military and civilians who serve here with great dedication under very difficult conditions but they are making enormous progress. As I said in my remarks to the 1st Infantry Division they're helping to change the course of history in a way that will make the whole world safer for our children and our grandchildren.

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U.S. Department of Defense News Briefing
Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz
Sunday, February 1, 2004

(Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz Availability at Al Baiya Police Station, Baghdad)

Wolfowitz: It's been busy, informative, very good meetings with [Lt.] Gen. [Ricardo] Sanchez, Ambassador [Paul] Bremer and [Brig.] Gen. [Martin] Dempsey. Very encouraging first reports on how the handover is taking place among the military and a lot of good success on the intelligence side. Some of it attributable to the documents that were found with Saddam Hussein but I think more generally to a much greater degree of cooperation from Iraqis in the greater confidence they are having about their future.

In many ways one of the most impressive visits today has been this visit to a police station, and thinking about the danger these Iraqi police face every day. We had a reminder of that up in Mosul yesterday where a suicide bomber attacked a police station. It's what these criminals do. Criminals isn't a good enough word. But they are going to target success wherever they find it and they are going to try to intimidate Iraqis to go back into hiding.

I was very impressed with this police colonel who seems to me to be a highly motivated man who believes in what he is doing and you heard his own sense of how difficult it was to be a policeman under the old regime. The bad ones have left and we're working with the good ones to train them and equip them and give them the tools to do their job, because it is their job cause it is their job, it's their country.

Meeting with a group of Iraqi women. It was interesting to watch them argue about basic questions about the application of Muslim family law. But I must say on the whole it is encouraging to see the spirit of vigorous debate along lines that weren't entirely predictable.

I reinforce my strong belief that the United States has a big stake in making sure that Iraqi women have equal rights in the society and play an equal role in shaping its future. Their voice is a voice of moderation and a voice of democracy.

Overall, I would say that based on one quick day that I've seen progress in areas since I was here three months ago. Particularly in the area of security. There is still a lot of work to be done. We had very encouraging reports on the role of the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps. General Dempsey had really good things to say about their experience with them. And one of the things that I'm determined to do is to make sure that we are able to move the supplemental funding as quickly as possible into the equipping of the police force and the defense corps.

There was a nice anecdote that General Dempsey told us about an American changeover here in Baghdad and a company of the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps attended and we played the Star Spangled Banner and everyone saluted. After the Iraqis said well we saluted your national anthem, how come you didn't play ours? So the next ceremony they played both and the Americans saluted the Iraqis and the Iraqis saluted the Americans. There's real pride among those Iraqis who are on the frontlines fighting for their country. There are more and more of them every day and that's how we're going to win this.

Questions?

Q: You talk about the increase use of civil defense corps and the police. General Dempsey said that he's pulling a lot of his forces out of the center of the city so they can take over the middle. What makes you see they are ready for them to take that kind of a role?

Wolfowitz: You see as you go, I mean, it's almost condescending to use the training wheels on a bicycle analogy cause these people are not children and they are facing situations of great danger, but unless you give them a chance to practice their skills to go out there and face things on their own you'll never know what they can do. I think we're proceeding in a careful way. We're certainly not going to leave them on their own when they can't handle things. Clearly it's better for us if they are on the frontlines and it's better for them and better for their country.

And when difficult work has to be done, like going into a mosque to arrest anti-coalition cleric or pick up weapons. If Americans have to do it we'll do it. But it is so much better for Iraqis to be doing that kind of thing.

Q: What do you know about the bombings in Irbil?

Wolfowitz: Only that there were two very severe ones. They seemed to have attacked in almost the same time period a PUK headquarters and a KDP headquarters. They attacked precisely at a time when people were gathered to celebrate one of the holiest days in the Muslim calendar -- the Eid al-Adha. It just speaks volumes about what these extremists are all about. They are not about Islam, they're not about Muslims. They are about their own fanatical view of the world and they will kill to try to advance it.

But we're winning, and they are losing.