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Daily Press Briefing
Adam Ereli, Deputy Spokesman
Washington, DC
September 27, 2004

INDEX:

IRAQ

Holding of Elections
Cooperation with Government of Iraq
U.S. Support of Democratic Processes
U.S. Support of Capacity Building Process
Secretary’s Meeting with Prime Minister Allawi
Iran’s Influence on Elections
Discussions on the Issues of Iraq
Multinational Force Presence

UNITED NATIONS

Director General ElBaradei’s Third Term on IAEA

PAKISTAN

Capture of Members of Al-Qaida Leadership

SYRIA

Recent Meetings with Syrian Government
Terrorism and Regional Violence
Terrorists Organizations

MISCELLANEOUS

Case of Guantanamo Detainee Hamdi

SUDAN

Arrest of Alleged Opposition Group Members
Status on U.S. Efforts in Darfur
Visit By U.S. Special Advisor Charles Snyder
African Union / Monitors and Peacekeepers in Darfur

BURMA

Meeting of Deputy Secretary Armitage and Special Representative Razali

GREECE

U.S. License on the Purchase of Arms
Licensing and Sale of U.S. Arms to Foreign Governments

JAPAN

Japan’s New Cabinet

CHINA/TAIWAN

New York Times Journalist/Researcher Zhao Yan Detained
Issues Relating to Taiwan Strait
Status of Six-Party Talks

LAOS

Reports of Alleged Massacres of Hmong Children

HAITI

U.S. Aid in Aftermath of Tropical Storm Jeanne


TRANSCRIPT:

1:10 p.m. EDT

MR. ERELI: Welcome back, everyone. Glad you're safe and sound with us at the State Department. I don't have any announcements today to start the week, so we'll open it to the first questions.

QUESTION: Could we try to get the latest view in the State Department as to the likelihood that Iraq can hold elections by early January?

MR. ERELI: The holding of elections in Iraq, the holding of free, fair, open elections in Iraq at the end of the year and at the end of January 2005, is a goal that the Iraqi Government has set for itself. It's a goal that we support. It's something that we're all going to work between now and then to achieve.

That means providing Iraqi people throughout the country the opportunity to go to the polls and express their opinion, and participate in the choice of their future leaders. It is an endeavor that we are using -- that we, and the Iraqis, are using all of the tools at our disposal to achieve: That means militarily fighting the insurgency that is trying to prevent the peaceful conduct of elections throughout the country; it means politically working with all parts of the Iraqi society to engage them both in terms of setting up the electoral process, but also in terms of working against those such as terrorists or former regime elements that want to frustrate the process; and, economically in terms of providing assistance and support for those parts of Iraq that need reconstruction, that need to see the benefits of a new Iraq, and to complement what is being done politically.

So, I don't know how to put it differently than I think a number of officials have already put it both on the Hill and before the TV cameras that this is the Iraqi goal, this is the goal of the United States, this is the goal of the UN and the multinational community, the multinational force, to have free, fair and open elections throughout Iraq by January 2005, and that's what we're working toward.

QUESTION: Well, your goal is clear. And for a long time, absent your statement, is the confidence that so recently we were hearing, that the Secretary told us in New York last week that it was feasible. But on TV over the weekend he seemed a little bit -- and Armitage keeps up that tone, but the Secretary seemed a little less sanguine about the elections. So you don't have to handicap it for us, but we're listening for good -- for obvious reasons, not to hold your feet to the fire, but we know how awful the situation is in Iraq, and we know you're trying to put the best face you can on the situation. But what is the likelihood of elections throughout Iraq? And secondly, would the Administration support partial elections, excluding areas of Iraq where violence is just too awful to expect people to go out and vote and risk getting killed?

MR. ERELI: I'm not going to make predictions. I will say that we have a goal that we're working toward and that's what we're trying to accomplish in cooperation with the Government of Iraq, and that's elections throughout Iraq by January 2005. And I don't want to speculate on scenarios short of that. We think it's achievable. We think it's doable. The Deputy has spoken to that, the Secretary has spoken to that, and the President has spoken to that. And I don't think you should read into different phrasings of the same idea differences of opinion or differences of assessment.

QUESTION: On this topic, in one of his interviews yesterday the Secretary responded to a question with this, which I am wondering if you can explain. The quote was, "We have a record of overtly supporting candidates for government, candidates for office in governments that are going through the process of transition to democracy."

Can you explain exactly what he meant by that and perhaps give us some examples of countries where you have overtly supported candidates for office?

MR. ERELI: We have a very active, as you know, a very active program of supporting democratic processes throughout the world. You know, we do it in -- we've done it in Yemen, we've done it in where I've worked, we've done it in other countries in the Middle East, we've done it in the Balkans, we've done it in Europe, Eastern Europe, we've done it in Africa. It's providing grants to American NGOs to help develop capacity building in emerging democracies so that they can have functioning systems whereby political parties develop their institutional capability, political parties learn how to field and support and promote candidates. We're not supporting individual candidates in these processes, but we are supporting the process of empowering institutions and people to participate and flourish in a new political system.

Now, with respect to Iraq, I think our support for the democratic process there is fairly well known, fairly well publicized.

QUESTION: Can I just stop you right there?

MR. ERELI: Yeah, sure.

QUESTION: That's all well and fine, what you just said. That's not what the Secretary said. He said, "We have a record of overtly supporting candidates for government, candidates for office and government that are going through a process of transitioning to democracy."

MR. ERELI: Right, which is what I --

QUESTION: He didn't say --

MR. ERELI: That's consistent with what I just said.

QUESTION: No, well, it may be consistent with it, but it's different than what you just said, because you talked about support for democratic processes, which I'm sure you're talking about IRI and NDI and that kind of thing.

MR. ERELI: Exactly.

QUESTION: He says you overtly support candidates for government --

MR. ERELI: Yeah.

QUESTION: -- candidates for office -- candidates for office. What candidates have you guys supported in the past, overtly?

MR. ERELI: I think he was -- the Secretary was speaking generically, as opposed to -- the United States does not, in political processes, favor one candidate over another.

QUESTION: Well, that's what he -- that's what it sounds like.

MR. ERELI: We favor -- I don't read it that way. I read it as --

QUESTION: How can -- wait. How can you read it any other way? "We have a record of overtly supporting candidates for government, candidates for office in governments that are going through a process of transitioning to democracy." How can you read that any other way than "We overtly support candidates for office in other governments?"

MR. ERELI: Okay. The question was a question about covert support for democracy programs -- democracy --

QUESTION: And we're all aware of your record on that.

MR. ERELI: And the Secretary said, we have a -- we are in Iraq, as elsewhere, we are supporting political processes and candidates overtly. And I read that -- first of all, that's where the "overt" word comes from. As far as the candidates, we are not -- I read it as we are not supporting any individual candidate; we do not support individual candidates. We support the process of defining parties, being able to come up with candidates, and those candidates being able to campaign. So it is not --

QUESTION: Adam, I'm reading the entire sentence here. I'm not leaving anything out. It's all in context --

MR. ERELI: It was --

QUESTION: -- and that's not what he said. He said "candidates."

MR. ERELI: I've given you -- I've given the way I read, the quote, we are not supporting, to my knowledge, or trying to favor individual candidates over other candidates. We are supporting a capacity building process in Iraq. That capacity building process means helping parties and Iraqi citizens to acquire campaign political participation skills so that Iraqi democracy can be, I think, a fully functioning and successful undertaking. That's what's behind that quote.

QUESTION: So he didn't mean what he said.

MR. ERELI: If you are suggest --

QUESTION: I'll drop it after that. But he did not mean to say that we have a record of overtly supporting candidates?

MR. ERELI: I would caution you against interpreting this to say, "We favor certain candidates and we are supporting those candidates." That is not what we are doing.

QUESTION: Can I ask you -- sorry, I meant to ask about -- I'm sorry. And maybe I'm the last to know, but did he meet in New York with Allawi, have an unscheduled -- sometimes they're the most interesting meetings, the ones that you don't let us know about in advance. Or was there not a meeting? There's some confusion.

MR. ERELI: He had a -- when President Allawi met President -- when Prime Minister Allawi met President Bush, the Secretary did have some private time with Prime Minister Allawi.

QUESTION: But that was -- but that wasn't Friday.

MR. ERELI: No, it was not Friday.

QUESTION: It was earlier in the week.

MR. ERELI: Nothing on Friday.

QUESTION: There was nothing on Friday.

MR. ERELI: Nothing on Friday.

QUESTION: Okay.

MR. ERELI: Yes, sir.

QUESTION: What does the U.S. think of ElBaradei wanting a third term at the IAEA?

QUESTION: Oh, I'm sorry, can we stay on Iraq elections?

QUESTION: Sure.

QUESTION: What is the U.S. view of Iran's involvement as far as the election process is concerned? Are they providing money, anything like that? You talked about the U.S. programs. What about the Iranian side and what role is Iran playing?

MR. ERELI: I don't really have too much factual information to share with you. I think we've made clear that Iran does have influence in Iraq. That's quite clear. But to be more specific about, you know, how that influence works, what they're doing where with whom, that's very difficult for me to say.

What our interest is is, I think, to support what the Government of Iraq has said they want to achieve, which is the involvement of all Iraqi political factions in a peaceful competition for power. And, again, as the Secretary pointed out in the Sunday shows, part of this effort is constituted by this undertaking to bring together Iraq's neighbors to discuss the issues of Iraq's political future of security and stability, and for Iraq to lay out for its neighbors its vision of where it wants to go and how it sees it -- the role it sees its neighbors as well as the international community, as represented by the G-8, the role it sees these parties as playing.

So, clearly, the role or Iran as well as the role of Iraq's other neighbors in events in Iraq is something that Iraq is concerned about, is something that we are working to help Iraq channel in, I think, a positive, peaceful direction.

QUESTION: Do you see Iraq's role, then, as hindering the process?

MR. ERELI: Iran's role?

QUESTION: Iran's role. Sorry.

MR. ERELI: I think there are -- you know, obviously, the Iraqi Government has said what its views on this are. Our message to the Government of Iran, I think, is clear and consistent that they have an interest in a stable and secure Iraq; they have influence with certain parties in Iraq; we think they need to use that influence to help support the program and agenda of the Government of Iraq. And to the extent that there are actions or activities that contribute to instability, that to contribute to terrorist activity, that is of concern to us.

But to get into the kind of detail of how that works, it's just -- it's murky.

QUESTION: On -- going back to what you briefly mentioned, at the conference that the Secretary spoke of, at least I think you did --

MR. ERELI: Yes.

QUESTION: He said possible venues were Egypt and -- Cairo or Amman, and Egyptians have come out saying that they are going to hold a conference; it's unclear whether it's the same one. But is there any movement on where or when this might be, and how recent an idea is this? Is this just something that the Prime Minister came up with last week, or have I missed something?

MR. ERELI: No, this is an idea that's been around for a while. It was discussed --

QUESTION: Well, others have suggested it, but I wasn't aware the Iraqis had.

MR. ERELI: Well, it's an idea that we said we would, you know, we would look at, we would consider, we could support, and when it came up in the UN in, when was it, I guess it was May, in the course of the discussions on the last Security Council resolution on Iraq.

So I would date it to then, at least, and certainly, it's something -- it's an idea the Iraqi Government has taken up, the Iraqi Government has sought to act upon, so that we've been working with them on this for some time now as they move to put this together.

The timeframe is October, possibly November. The venue is in the region, but -- they're looking at Cairo, they're looking at Amman. I'm not aware if they're looking at other places as well, but I don't think it's been decided yet.

Yes, sir.

QUESTION: French Foreign Minister has said that the role of U.S.-led forces must be on the agenda if an international summit on Iraq is to ahead. Barnier proposed that all political groups, including a certain number of groups, who now have chosen the path of resistance by arms, should be included in the talks. Do you have any comment on that?

MR. ERELI: No, not really. It's -- I'm not in a position to discuss the agenda of such a conference. As I said, this is something that the Iraqis are taking a lead in putting together, so I would refer, you know, those kinds of questions to them.

Clearly, the issue of the U.S. presence in -- or the multinational force presence, I should say, in Iraq is a subject that has been extensively dealt with, most importantly in Security Council resolutions, which sanctions this presence, which give a legitimacy to this presence, and by public statements of the Government of Iraq, which have invited this presence. And we've always made clear that our goal is to work ourselves into obsolescence -- to make it -- to give the Iraqis the capacity to provide for security and build up their forces so that the kind of international armed presence we see in Iraq now isn't necessary in the future. That's the goal that we're all working towards.

Yes.

QUESTION: The IAEA and ElBaradei, what's your attitude toward it?

MR. ERELI: Don't have anything for you on it.

QUESTION: But do you guys, in general, oppose the terms of the UN bodies or can you make an exception in this case?

MR. ERELI: I think we view the work of Director General ElBaradei as outstanding. He has been a great leader and valued partner in his work at the International Atomic Energy Agency. As far as future discussion or review of future moves, obviously we'd have to look at the circumstances and take everything under advisement. And so I don't really have a position for you at this point.

QUESTION: The only thing I'd say is, when you look at the circumstances, the circumstances are he's going for a third term, and I thought you had a policy to oppose third terms.

MR. ERELI: I'm not going to go further than I just have.

QUESTION: Okay. Do you -- one last on this. Do you know if anybody has said, from the State Department has said to ElBaradei, or through intermediaries got the message to ElBaradei that the U.S. would oppose his standing for a third term?

MR. ERELI: I'm not aware that such communications have taken place.

Yes.

QUESTION: Events yesterday in Pakistan and also (inaudible). Do you have a response to that? And how significant do you think this is in the war on terror?

MR. ERELI: Obviously, for both the United States and Pakistan, the capture of al-Qaida, remaining al-Qaida leadership, is a top priority. We work closely with Pakistan in this endeavor. We welcomed the news over the weekend that Pakistan apprehended several suspects who may have links to al-Qaida, including a suspect in the Daniel Pearl case. We view this as a further positive development in the global war on terror, and I would note that this is yet another indication, in our view, of the significant progress being made in Pakistan and elsewhere in rounding up al-Qaida and other terrorist operatives.

It's an important step. It's an important development. But there's clearly more to do.

QUESTION: How do you feel about Hamas operatives operating in Syria? Israel has not claimed responsibility for the dispatch of a top Hamas person. I don't know if you know who finished him off, but I wonder what you think about others doing the kind of things you and Pakistan do.

MR. ERELI: As you say, there is -- there's no claim for responsibility of this act. I would simply note that, you know, in our meetings with the -- recent meetings with the Syrian Government, both the Secretary Powell and Foreign Minister Shara in New York, as well as Assistant Secretary Burns and the Syrian leadership in Damascus, we made it clear to Syria that the United States and President Bush remains committed to a comprehensive and lasting peace in the Middle East. That is what we are working toward.

We also made clear that such a peace cannot be achieved against the backdrop of violence and we urge Syria to take steps to halt the activities of individuals and organizations that facilitate and direct violence and terror and that operate from Syrian territory.

QUESTION: The Secretary seemed pleased, on the whole, with his meeting with the foreign minister. Again, we don't know who did the deed, but is the timing unfortunate for you guys or -- you're in the midst of praising Syria. You're getting at least the bobbing of heads about taking actions that you would like seen taken. Does this run against that development?

MR. ERELI: I don't have any comment on the timing of this. It's -- you know, as we've always said, terrorism begets -- terrorism begets a cycle of violence that can be dealt with through ending support of terrorist organizations.

QUESTION: I just want to ask you about one line in there. You said that such a peace cannot take place against a backdrop of violence. Presumably, you would exclude the blowing up of this car with someone in it, or is that violence, too?

MR. ERELI: As I said, terrorists and their supporters beget a cycle of violence that is best addressed through the end of support of terror.

QUESTION: Is it your position that this person was a terrorist or a begetter of violence?

MR. ERELI: My understanding is he's a member of Hamas.

QUESTION: Okay. So his killing and the violent nature of his killing isn't part of the violence against which a Middle East peace cannot take place?

MR. ERELI: I'm not -- I think that, in our view, the best way to address the longstanding violence in the region is through ending support of terror.

QUESTION: Well, wait -- is --

QUESTION: So the crux of what you're saying is that -- I don't want to go where you don't want to go, and it's ticklish, I know, for you because it's always special when it comes to Israel attack -- going after terrorists, but -- if Israel did the deed -- but you would have left it to the Syrians to take care of Hamas in Damascus rather than go after Hamas leaders; is that correct?

MR. ERELI: We have made it clear that in numerous meetings with the Syrians that we think it's in their interests, in the interests of the region, to end support for terrorist organizations and terrorist individuals operating from their territory.

QUESTION: It's been going on a lot of years. So you would still, you know, hold back and wait for them to do that; is that the idea?

MR. ERELI: That is --

QUESTION: That's the --

MR. ERELI: That is what our policy is based on, the need for Syria to take actions against these organizations.

Yes, ma'am. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

QUESTION: Hamas already accuse Israel being behind the attack.

MR. ERELI: Pardon?

QUESTION: Hamas already accuse Israel of being behind the attack. Israelis officially denied that but privately admitted to Israel Channel 2. Whoever did this attack, do you think it is a legitimate way of eliminating people, leadership from Hamas, rather than arresting them and trying them? Does the U.S. agree to this method of killing?

MR. ERELI: You know, our position on targeted killings, I think, is well known. I don't have anything new to add to what we've said to this in the past.

QUESTION: What, you regard this as a targeted killing?

MR. ERELI: She -- the way the question came -- the way the question was presented, I'm not commenting on this specific act. As a general policy --

QUESTION: I understand. But can you -- do you regard this as a targeted killing, or just an unfortunate, or perhaps fortunate, act of violence?

MR. ERELI: I don't think I have enough information to give you an informed answer.

QUESTION: You do agree that it was violence?

MR. ERELI: Yeah, I think a car bomb --

QUESTION: Okay.

MR. ERELI: -- blowing somebody up is violent.

QUESTION: Is the U.S. asking Israel or Syria to provide any additional information?

MR. ERELI: Not that I'm aware.

Yes, sir.

QUESTION: I wonder why you can't see it in the terms of state terrorism, when a country is conducting what its officials are saying or describing its policy as "long-arm policy of Israel," killing other people in other people's country, or other countries who are conducting, with the United States, very serious kind of discussion that has to do with the arrangements of security and peace in the area. Why can't you go beyond talking about it as a targeted killing and admit that it is actually a state terrorism, because this is a conduct of a country against another neighboring country?

MR. ERELI: I don't know that -- everything you suggest is a supposition. I don't have the facts to be able to conclude that what you said is actually true. So, you know, you're asking me to say something, to comment on something that you purport to be true that we don't know to be true.

I think what we do know is that there are terrorist organizations and terrorist individuals operating out of Syria with the support and connivance of the Government of Syria, and that this is not in the interests of peace, and not in the interests -- and not consistent with those -- not consistent with statements in favor of peace.

So our view is that the best way to resolve this scourge or this problem is to provide no haven and no support for individuals who believe that violence, as opposed to negotiation, is the way to solve the problems -- is the way to achieve peace, or to achieve an end to the conflict between Israelis and Arabs.

QUESTION: Yeah, if I may. Do you see that yourself objecting to any violent acts by -- or solving problems, for countries to solve their problems with other countries is through violent acts and state terrorism, or you just insist that, well, one country should do this and this and that for the other country to meet the demands of Israel?

MR. ERELI: We think that if a country is committed to negotiated -- peaceful settlement of disputes through negotiation, then it is inconsistent to support organizations, terrorist organizations whose purpose is to use violence to settle those disputes.

Yes.

QUESTION: Adam, recently, there was a Guantanamo detainee that was released, and he was killed by the American troops. This is elsewhere.

And also, there's just been the release --

MR. ERELI: I'm sorry; he was released and then killed?

QUESTION: By American troops. In other words, he had been a detainee at Guantanamo, and of course, went back, I believe to Afghanistan. Now, they've just released Hamdi, with a type of restriction that he can't -- he's to renounce American citizenship, he's to not travel, he's being returned, I suppose, to Saudi Arabia, and they've just announced that in the 1:00 news.

If you're constantly saying that courts elsewhere are not helping the situation, why are the release from Guantanamo and the case of Hamdi --

MR. ERELI: The case of Hamdi is -- I'd refer you, for the substance of this issue, I'd refer you to the Department of Justice, because they're the ones that have dealt with the legal aspects of this case and they can speak to the terms of the release.

We, from the State Department, are working with the Government of Saudi Arabia to, as we would in any case such as this; we are working with the Government of Saudi Arabia on the logistics of Mr. Hamdi's return to Saudi Arabia. I'm not aware that that return has taken place. I know it's something that we're working on, and it's in the final stages.

QUESTION: But Adam, isn't that, because you're releasing a high-profile type of terrorist, isn't that going to enter into, just make things worse or just create a drawing card for --

MR. ERELI: No, I think it's something -- without getting into the details, it's something that we have been able to work out with our Saudi partners in ways that I think is -- satisfies everybody's concerns.

QUESTION: New subject, what's your --

QUESTION: No, actually, if we could stay on this for a second. So Adam, you're saying you do have agreement with the Saudis paving the way for Hamdi's return?

MR. ERELI: We're working on it. I don't know if everything's finalized yet.

QUESTION: Do you anticipate that this will be wrapped up soon?

MR. ERELI: It's, as I said, it's working through the final stages.

QUESTION: Can you tell us what's holding things up?

MR. ERELI: Just knitting everything up. I don't know if there's anything specific. It's just working through the needs of all the parties.

QUESTION:     What's your understanding, if you have one, of what happened this weekend in Khartoum?

MR. ERELI: I think you're referring to rumors of a coup?

QUESTION: Well, government reports, government allegations, attempt --

MR. ERELI: We have received reports over the weekend of the Government of Sudan authorities arresting alleged opposition group members. We are not aware if any of those arrested are members of any rebel groups. That's the full extent of what I have for you on that.

QUESTION: Well, arresting members of what, you say? Opposition --

MR. ERELI: Alleged opposition group members.

QUESTION: Alleged opposition group members? Not aware that any of them are rebel groups?

MR. ERELI: Are members of rebel groups.

QUESTION: Do you not taken an opinion, then, on the arrest of opposition --

MR. ERELI: I think we don't have enough facts to come to a conclusion about what was behind this, but I will endeavor to get you a more considered view.

QUESTION: Okay. And when you do, if you could also -- the SPLA and the SPA and the JEM are all saying that this is kind of designed to be a sideshow to distract international attention from Darfur, what's going on there. Could you look into -- I mean, I'm sure you're going to say that nothing that happens anywhere else in Sudan is going to have any effect on your policy in Darfur, but if you could just come up with some language to that effect, it would be nice.

MR. ERELI: Sure. I will endeavor to look into what's happening here. I mean, what -- you know, clearly, if you want to talk about Sudan and how -- what we're doing there, there is a -- we're working on a number of fronts. But on the political front that you talked about, there are a number of things being done. Assistant -- Special Advisor on Sudan Charlie Snyder was recently in Khartoum. He met with First Vice President Taha. He pressed him for a rapid resolution of the Dar --

QUESTION: Not since the weekend?

MR. ERELI: Not since -- no, not since the weekend. Pressed him on the need to arrive at a rapid resolution of the Darfur crisis. He was in Nairobi and he met with Mr. Garang and Mr. Sumbeiywo and urged them to come to a conclusion, rapid conclusion, of the north-south accord. He has also -- he was in Cairo over the weekend, where he met with Egyptian and Arab League officials. We, I think -- the Abuja talks are in recess. We expect them to get -- to resume soon -- soon. The rebels and the government should sign a humanitarian protocol and finish up a security and political protocol.

And meanwhile, we're working with the African Union to get additional AU monitors and peacekeepers into Darfur. This something that the latest Security Council resolution recognized as an important priority. It's something the Secretary talked to President Obasanjo about in New York. It's something that the AU is meeting on to draw up the details, and it's something that we are sparing no effort to see happen quickly.

Yes.

QUESTION: Adam, could you give us a readout, if possible, on Mr. Armitage's meeting with the Burmese special envoy?

MR. ERELI: Do we have anything more on Sudan? Okay.

Deputy Secretary Armitage and Special Representative Razali discussed recent political developments in Burma and the Special Representative's recent activities. They both agreed on the need for the Burmese authorities to release Aung San Suu Kyi and other political prisoners, and on the importance of beginning a meaningful dialogue on national reconciliation and steps for the establishment of democracy.

Yes, sir.

QUESTION: Adam, the spokesman of the Greek Foreign Minister, Mr. George Koumoutsakos -- allow me to spell it -- it's too long -- K-o-u-m-o-u-t-s-a-k-o-s -- dismissed the legal statement the other day that you sent a notification to Congress regarding that Greece transferred illegally to Cyprus American weapons, saying Mr. Koumoutsakos, that this is not a big deal and it's an old story of three years.

Now, therefore, I am asking once again why, then, your government paid so much attention since, according to Mr. Koumoutsakos, it's a matter of nonsense.

MR. ERELI: Well, I wouldn't agree that it's a matter of nonsense. It's a matter of U.S. law --

QUESTION: Yes.

MR. ERELI: -- that when licenses are provided for the purchase of arms that they be used in certain ways and not used in other ways, and that when the terms of those licenses are not fulfilled, it's our obligation to notify Congress. It is what it is. I wouldn't qualify it as a big deal or not a big deal. It is a statutory requirement that we are obliged to follow.

QUESTION: Since, as you told us, whatever the Greek army has done was illegal against, as you said a few moment ago, that it's against the U.S. law, but not the 40,000 Turkish invasion occupation forces in Cyprus bearing legal U.S.-made weapons, may I assume, then, that it were okay if 40,000 Greeks troops will go to Cyprus bearing American weapons?

And let me to remind you just for the record, when the late Prime Minister Konstantinos Karamanlis, trying to do that during the invasion and occupation of Cyprus, the Sixth Fleet stopped the Greek war ships in the middle of the Aegean Sea, not to transfer those forces to Cyprus with American weapons. How do you explain this type of partiality vis-à-vis Greece and Turkey?

MR. ERELI: I think you're confusing a lot of issues.

QUESTION: We are not an issue --

MR. ERELI: The issue that we are dealing with here is the licensing and sale of U.S. arms to foreign governments and the terms, which govern the use of those arms. And that law applies equally to any country that buys defense articles from the United States, whether it be Greece, whether it be Turkey, whether it be the Czech Republic, whether it be anybody.

You've got terms under -- terms according to which those arms are to be used and not used. And we look at every case individually according to the terms of the license and how the arms were used.

And if we find that the use of those arms is contrary to the terms of the license, then we notify Congress. That was the case in Greece. It was not the case in the other situations that you mentioned because I don't know that the same issue applied -- if they used -- if they used arms that they bought from the United States, what the terms of the license were, et cetera, et cetera.

So I can't speak to -- I can't speak to every single case. All I can tell you is each case is taken individually according to the terms of the license and the requirements of law, and that the answer to your question is to look at it with that in mind and I'd refer you to the law.

QUESTION: But just to clarify the confusion, but the Turkish invasion and occupation of Cyprus is a very well known issue. That's why I'm asking how do you explain this anomaly? In one occasion you say yes, it's illegal. In the other case, it's not illegal --

MR. ERELI: There's no -- Greece just -- look at the facts of the case. Greece is --

QUESTION: Just the facts, then.

MR. ERELI: Greece is using arms contrary to a license. I don't know what arms Turkey used in this action. I don't know if they were arms they bought from the United States and what the, you know, what the terms were of the license, et cetera, et cetera. So again, you have to look at the law, you have to look at each case; you have to evaluate it on that basis. And that's all I can say on the subject.

QUESTION: Adam, do you know what is exactly behind this notification to Congress?

MR. ERELI: I'm sorry, Mr. Lambros, sir, that's all I can say.

QUESTION: But the notification, do you what is exactly behind this notification of Congress, as far as consequences for Greece? And the Greek armed forces says Mr. Koumoutsakos ask us not to pay attention? Since the matter is very serious, whatever you will say right now?

MR. ERELI: I think the United States is looking for those arms to be returned to Greece and to be used consistent with the terms of the license.

QUESTION: Another issue, another issue.

QUESTION: To the best of your knowledge, have any of those weapons ever actually been fired by anyone?

MR. ERELI: Which ones?

QUESTION: The ones that you're saying are being used, again, improperly or illegally under the license?

MR. ERELI: No, I'm not aware that --

QUESTION: Okay. In your lengthy explanation, you talked about how all countries face these standards. But can you remind us when the last time you sent a notification up to the Hill was about Israel's use of U.S. arms?

MR. ERELI: I'd have to look at the record.

QUESTION: Right. And probably, you would discover that you've never reported up to Congress on that. And that's why I'm curious as to know if these arms that the Greeks allegedly gave illegally have ever been used, because certainly, Israel is using these weapons in very controversial ways, and a report has never been sent to the Hill on this.

QUESTION: (Inaudible.)

QUESTION: All right, once, then.

QUESTION:   Maybe Secretary Powell, or the talks, to bring Secretary Colin Powell and the Greek Foreign Minister Petros Molyviatis in New York City the other day?

MR. ERELI:   I'll endeavor to get you a readout.

QUESTION: And you don't know anything?

MR. ERELI: I don't have a readout.

QUESTION: You don't have -- and may we have later or something?

MR. ERELI: I said I'll try and get it for you.

QUESTION: Okay. And also, will they discuss the weapons issue, too?

MR. ERELI: I'll see what we can say about that.

QUESTION: And according to Mr. Koumoutsakos, again, the Greek Foreign Minister has taken the initiative after years, and asked the U.S. mediator Matthew Nimitz to restart the negotiation with Skopje, at the UN regarding the name of FYROM, FYROM. Mr. Koumoutsakos statement have been received in FYROM with a sense of celebrity and happiness. Any comment on this new development and if you know anything about that?

MR. ERELI: No, no comment. Yes, Andrea.

QUESTION: Mexico. A top Mexican official is quoted saying that he believes additional travel lanes at ports of entry into the U.S. may be necessary. Obviously, the U.S. is not in support of open borders. Does the U.S. feel that this is a topic that's open for discussion?

MR. ERELI: Let me check and see what we've got on it. I'm not familiar with the issue, so I really don't want to comment on it at this point.

Yes.

QUESTION: (Inaudible.)

MR. ERELI: Sure.

QUESTION: Do you have any comment about the Cabinet shuffle in Japan? And between United States and Japan, there are many outstanding issues, for example, BSE and transformation of American troops stationed in Japan. So at this time, do you have any comment about these issues?

MR. ERELI: I would note that Japan is a key ally and partner for the United States. We have a strong relationship and we look forward to developing it and strengthening it further.

As you said, there is a new Cabinet in Japan. We look forward to working with the newly appointed ministers, as well as the returning ones in Prime Minister Koizumi's Cabinet, which was announced today.

We offer our congratulations to the new Foreign Minister, Mr. Nobutaka Machimura. We expect to work very closely and cooperatively with him. Meanwhile, we're also pleased to note that former Foreign Minister, Yuriko Kawaguchi, with whom we worked successfully on many important issues, will continue to play a role in the new Cabinet as an advisor to the prime minister.

Yes, ma'am.

QUESTION: Okay, so do you have any information or statement regarding the case that Beijing authority detained a New York Times researcher in China?

MR. ERELI: We are aware of reports that Mr. Zhao Yan, a Chinese journalist and researcher for the New York Times, has been detained in China. According to these reports, he was arrested on September 17th on charges of passing state secrets to foreigners.

We are concerned about this case and its implications for journalists working in China. We have raised it both in China through our Embassy, to the foreign ministry, and here in Washington to the Chinese Embassy. We are seeking clarification of his status, and expressing our concern for his welfare and underscoring our view that the role of a free press is critical in providing information to build a strong civil society.

Yes, sir.

QUESTION: In case that China attacks Taipei and Kaoshung, Taiwan could retaliate by attacking Shanghai, saying that this capability of retaliation is the best way to deter invasion from China. Do you have any comment on that?

MR. ERELI: Our move is that we would -- or I'm sorry, our position is that we oppose moves by either side that would increase tensions across the Taiwan Strait and it is our view that the issue -- issues relating to the Taiwan Strait should be solved through dialogue and not by unilateral actions by either side.

QUESTION: Do you believe that this comment increases tension across the Strait?

MR. ERELI: We would prefer to see comments that focus on dialogue as opposed to references to the use of force or other unilateral moves.

QUESTION: In other words, this is a tension-increasing comment?

MR. ERELI: I would say we --

QUESTION: You would have been happier had it not been said?

MR. ERELI: I'll leave it at just reiterating what our position is.

QUESTION: Thank you.

QUESTION: All right.

MR. ERELI: I'm sorry. Do you have another question?

QUESTION: Actually, extremely briefly. And that is, it's now September 27th. I think there's -- what? -- only three days left in the month. Are you thinking that six-party talks are going to happen?

MR. ERELI: I think it's more than likely that six-party talks won't happen in September. We certainly want to see another round take place. As Secretary Powell has said, the six-party talks are the way forward to deal with the issues confronting the peninsula and North Korea's nuclear weapons programs.

We hope that the North Koreans will realize that the sooner they return to the six-party format and begin discussions, the sooner we'll be able to help them deal with their very serious economic problems. We are continuing to work with the other parties in the six-party talks to move the process forward and it's not something we're giving up on.

QUESTION: Actually, can I just stay in the region for one quick question? There's a videotape that's surfaced recently that allegedly shows the aftermath of an attack by Lao military against Hmong teenagers in the mountain region of Laos. Has the State Department seen this tape? Have you heard about it? What is your comment?

MR. ERELI: We have heard about these allegations. We have not seen the videotape. We take the allegations very seriously. We are going to look into them. We would also urge the Government of Laos to investigate these alleged influence -- reports of alleged massacres among the Hmong children.

I would also note that we have consistently called for the Lao Government to respect the rights of its ethnic minorities and to press the Government of Laos to resolve this problem in a humanitarian and peaceful way.

QUESTION: Thank you.

MR. ERELI: I'm sorry. We still have a bunch more. Sir, in the back.

QUESTION: I would like to go back to the meeting of Mr. Armitage with Mr. Razali.

MR. ERELI: Mm-hmm.

QUESTION: Did they discuss anything about last week U.S. Senate bill on Burma?

MR. ERELI: I don't have a readout of the meeting. I'll see if I can get you an answer to that.

Yes.

QUESTION: With following the spate of hurricanes in the Caribbean, there's been widespread looting in Haiti, and will there be any more assistance, such as transportation, food, water, shelter and sewer system rebuilding? And what about reforestation?

MR. ERELI: I would refer you to a statement we put out on Friday, I believe, detailing the significant aid that the United States has given to Haiti in the aftermath of Tropical Storm Jeanne to assist the Haitian people in dealing with the devastation that the floods brought. These are long -- this was in the short term. The issues that you raise, I think, are long term, long-term problems confronting Haiti. It is, obviously, the subject of -- a subject of our assistance program, but that is something that we are working on for the long term. We have taken specific action in response to the immediate disaster and we will continue our efforts to address some of the more endemic problems that confront the Haitian people.

QUESTION: On Cyprus.

MR. ERELI: Mm-hmm.

QUESTION: Any readouts on the meeting in New York City between the Greek President Tassos Papadopoulos and Under Secretary Marc Grossman which lasted, actually, 90 minutes?

MR. ERELI: No, I don't have a readout. Again, we'll -- I'll ask our experts to see if we have something to say.

QUESTION: And also, the Greek -- excuse me, the Cypriot Justice Minister Doros Theodorouaccused the Turkish Cypriots of harboring Chechen rebels, plotting attacks on Russian interests, saying exactly, "Our information is clear and from very reliable sources." Any comment on that?

MR. ERELI: I haven't seen any information to substantiate such accusations and I don't -- so I don't really have a comment other than to say that it's the first I've heard of any such thing.

QUESTION: And the Greek Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs Evripidis Styliandidis had here at the State Department high-level talks with senior American officials. Do you have anything on that?

MR. ERELI: No.

QUESTION: Can you take this question?

MR. ERELI: No. (Laughter.)

(The briefing was concluded at 2:00 p.m.)

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