For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
July 17, 2003
Press Briefing by Scott McClellan
The James S. Brady Briefing Room
12:36 P.M. EDT
MR. McCLELLAN: Good afternoon. I have a few announcements before
we begin.
First, President Bush will welcome Palestinian Prime Minister Abbas
to Washington for a meeting and working lunch on July 25th. This will
be the President's first meeting with the Prime Minister in
Washington. The President is committed to his vision of two states,
Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security, and he
looks forward to discussing with Prime Minister Abbas the path forward
toward realization of this vision.
Secondly, President Bush will welcome Prime Minister Sharon of
Israel to Washington for a meeting and working lunch on July 29, 2003.
The two leaders will discuss efforts to advance peace between Israelis
and Palestinians, as well as a range of bilateral and regional issues.
One third announcement. The President will welcome Argentine
President Kirchner for a meeting at the White House on July 23rd. The
United States and Argentina have long valued close cooperation on
bilateral, hemispheric and global issues. The two leaders will discuss
the important bilateral partnership between the United States and
Argentina and ways to work together to advance economic growth and
prosperity and to promote peace, freedom and stability.
Finally, the President very much looks forward to welcoming Prime
Minister Blair to the White House this afternoon. The Prime Minister
is a strong leader who is a great friend of the American people. We
have a longstanding and close partnership with Great Britain. We have
stood together to advance peace, security and freedom.
I expect the two leaders will discuss and focus on a range of
important issues and shared responsibilities we are working on very
closely to address, including the progress we're making on security;
prosperity and democracy in Iraq, which will help bring about a more
stable and peaceful Middle East; our commitment to finish the job,
until it is done, and the importance of finishing the job in both Iraq
and Afghanistan; our broader efforts to advance peace in the Middle
East; and the war on terror and the successes we are achieving in
fighting terror and winning the war.
I expect much of the focus this afternoon will be on the important
responsibility the two leaders share to protect the lives of the people
they were elected to serve. There is no greater responsibility that
two leaders have and share than to protect the people they serve. And
there are dangerous new threats in the post-September 11th world, and
the President and Prime Minister know we must confront them, not ignore
them. And that is exactly what we are doing.
And with that, I'll be glad to take questions.
Q Scott, within the NSC, was it in fact Bob Joseph who wanted
it -- wanted the information about Iraq seeking uranium allegedly in
Africa in the State of the Union? Was it he? Was that communicated,
discussed, debated with Condoleezza Rice?
And why is it that he wanted that information in there so badly,
given the fact that the CIA couldn't vouch for its accuracy? They told
the British in September of '02 to take it out of their own reporting,
and they wanted it out of the President's speech in October. So why
was the NSC hell bent on having it in the State of the Union?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, again, there are two different pieces that
you touched on there. You touched on the October speech relating to
Cincinnati, and that was based on a specific amount and a specific
source. And you are correct. The CIA did say, take it out, and we
did.
The State of the Union address focused on the reference that was
made in the National Intelligence Estimate saying that Iraq was seeking
uranium from Africa. It was based on additional sources. But at the
time, before the State of the Union, the British had also made a public
-- made a document public stating that claim. And they had additional
sources upon which they relied.
We learned some information that we did not know at the time after
the State of the Union speech. And that was when we acknowledged -- we
acknowledged that relating to some information on some forged documents
relating to one part of that overall piece of evidence. And we said,
this did not rise to the level of a Presidential speech. And that's
why it was taken out.
Q The reality is that even though the language has changed as
it was prepared for the State of the Union, the very fact that it had
to be amended in the first place speaks to the fact that this was a
suspect piece of intelligence by the admission to the CIA at the time.
And it was subject to debate within the administration about its
accuracy, and therefore the usefulness of using it.
MR. McCLELLAN: I disagree. I think the reason the British was
cited was because it was already a public document, and so why not cite
a public source when you're going to put that in the speech.
Q Even when your own intelligence agencies have doubts about
it?
MR. McCLELLAN: But our own intelligence, the National Intelligence
Estimate, stated that they were seeking uranium from Africa. And
that's where the basis began.
Q Can you answer the first point? Was, in fact, Bob Joseph,
within the NSC, who wanted that in there --
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I think when you go through the usual vetting
process which a speech does, there are a number of people both on the
staff here and in the agencies that have input into a speech. And
there's a lot of discussion. And what we wanted to make sure we did
was look at all the facts to support the overwhelming evidence of the
threat that Saddam Hussein posed.
And so we went back and people provided input and went through a
number of drafts. Bottom line is, if they had said, take it out -- if
the CIA had said, take it out, we would have taken it out.
Q Scott, I'm sorry -- was Bob Joseph -- you're not disputing
that, because was he not the official that was referred to in Director
Tenet's testimony yesterday?
MR. McCLELLAN: David, I don't know that you -- one, you're talking
about some classified testimony there, so I'm not in a position to get
into that.
Q Why did he want it in so badly? You're not answering that
question. Why was this information so important?
MR. McCLELLAN: There was information about -- and remember, let's
go back to what I've said previously. We're talking about one piece of
information about Iraq reconstituting its nuclear weapons program.
There were a number of other factors that justified that statement, and
we stand by it. And that overall reconstitution of its nuclear weapons
program was one part of a much larger body of evidence of the threat
that we needed to confront, and that was posed by Saddam Hussein.
Saddam Hussein talked openly about his nuclear Mujahideen, the nuclear
holy warriors, his scientists that he kept in close contact with about
reconstituting his nuclear weapons program.
Q Can I just follow up on that? Because it was a senior deputy
of Condoleezza Rice that was trying to find a way to get the uranium
evidence --
MR. McCLELLAN: I just disagree with the characterization that is
going on here.
Q Well, let me just state my question, and then you can respond
to it. Because it was a senior deputy of the National Security Advisor
who was in discussions with the CIA about some way to get the uranium
evidence into the State of the Union, should the buck not stop with the
National Security Advisor, as opposed to the CIA director?
MR. McCLELLAN: John, I think we've been through this. When you're
talking about intelligence, the CIA is our lead intelligence agency.
They were involved in the clearance process. And as you saw, in
October, on a reference that was about a specific amount and based on a
specific source, they said, take it out, and we did. The National
Intelligence Estimate was coming out during that time. No one said,
take this out of the speech.
Q The CIA Director has fallen on his sword over this issue.
Does the NSC bear no culpability whatsoever in this matter?
MR. McCLELLAN: John, there are a lot of people that are involved
in the vetting process. And I think we went through the usual vetting
process as this happens. And we rely on people to look at this
information and make sure that we're doing our job to support the
information that is going to the President.
Q Do you know if Bob Joseph made aware -- made Condi Rice aware
of the discussions he had been having with the CIA?
MR. McCLELLAN: I'm sorry?
Q Do you know if Bob Joseph made Condi Rice aware of the
discussions he was having with the CIA?
MR. McCLELLAN: I think the bottom line here is that this has been
addressed. This one piece of information should never have been in the
speech. It did not change the overriding facts about the threat that
was posed by Saddam Hussein. Let me go to Terry. We'll come back
later for Jim.
Q It would be interesting to know if the National Security
Advisor knew about these discussions.
MR. McCLELLAN: Again, I think these issues have been addressed.
Q I want to just take a step back. Doesn't the buck stop with
the President? Isn't he responsible for the words that come out of his
own mouth?
MR. McCLELLAN: You bet the President is responsible for the
decisions he makes to protect the American people. And it was the
right decision to confront what was a grave and growing threat in the
form of Saddam Hussein and his regime. It was based on solid and
compelling evidence, and America is safer for it. So the
responsibility for the decision --
Q -- policy, I'm saying, on this issue --
MR. McCLELLAN: No, I know. But let's get to the issue here. You
have --
Q I'm asking responsibility for misleading the American
people.
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I totally disagree with that statement. Now
there are some in Congress that are seeking to rewrite history and
making those claims. Some of these are ones that were in the small
minority who opposed the action that we took. They're sitting there
seeking to justify their votes against the action that we took.
But the bottom line is that America is safer, the world is safer,
because of the action we took. Saddam Hussein is gone. He is no more.
He cannot use his weapons of mass destruction.
Q That's his speech, not an answer --
MR. McCLELLAN: No, I think we're going to the issue here.
Q The question that I have -- the administration has pointed a
finger at the CIA. Now there's a kind of witch hunt in the NSC. He's
the President of the United States. This thing he told the country on
the verge of taking the nation to war has turned out to be, and by your
own acknowledgement, not reliable. That's his fault, isn't it?
MR. McCLELLAN: No, the -- I'm going back to what I was pointing at
was that the decision he made was based on solid and compelling
evidence. And he made the right decision to confront this threat
instead of ignore it. We live in a very dangerous world in this
post-September 11 era that we are living in. And this was important to
address. And note --
Q And I'm not disputing that --
MR. McCLELLAN: And you're not disputing the overriding facts that
there was a compelling case against Saddam Hussein that was laid out by
the international community, that was supported in an overwhelming
bipartisan way by the United States Congress.
Q Let me ask once more. There are a lot of Americans who feel
misled by this specific instance that there was a bogus piece of
intelligence that was floating around in the case, in the overall case,
for war.
MR. McCLELLAN: No, no, no, there was intelligence in the National
Intelligence Estimate, the consensus document of the intelligence
community. We later learned some information that we did not know at
the time, and that was after --
Q When did you learn that?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, we learned that the forged documents
regarding Niger, we learned about that in March when the IAEA came
out.
Q Days after the President spoke, including that claim,
Secretary Powell, just days, not a month, not when the forgery was made
clear by the IAEA, but just a few days later, Secretary Powell said,
well, that is not reliable for me to present before the world
community. Why didn't the White House then say, you know what, the
President made a mistake --
MR. McCLELLAN: When Secretary Powell went through his reasoning,
what was the one intelligence arm within the intelligence community
that had had a difference of opinion on this?
Q But the President and the White House then waited --
MR. McCLELLAN: It was Secretary Powell's Department of State.
Q -- for some international body to finally blow the whistle on
this piece of intelligence to acknowledge that it was unreliable.
MR. McCLELLAN: That's, with intelligence, what happens, is you
learn some information later that maybe you didn't have before. We did
not know then what we know now.
Q So the President isn't going to take responsibility for this
error?
MR. McCLELLAN: We made it very clear that it should not have been
included in the speech. But we're not going to let a few in Congress
who are seeking to re-write history, who are seeking to justify their
own vote against the action we take, try to distract from the reason we
took the action that we took, and that is to make the American people
safer. And they are safer because of it.
Q Scott, this morning when Senator Durbin's statement was read
to you, you said, that characterization is "nonsense." Just to cross a
t, dot an i, were you saying that Director Tenet did not say this, or
were you saying that there is no such White House official?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I think what he was suggesting -- again, this
goes to -- I'm very glad you pointed out Senator Durbin, because he was
one of the few in the minority who opposed the steps that we took.
Again, an overwhelming, bipartisan Congress voted to support the action
that we took. And the United Nations Security Council made it very
clear this was a final opportunity for Saddam Hussein to comply. If we
had waited, who knows what position we'd be in now. But the Iraqi
people are better off for this. And I'm sorry, I'm not -- the first
part of your question?
Q Just the grammar of it. When you said, that's "nonsense,"
were you saying --
MR. McCLELLAN: It's nonsense to suggest that someone was
pressuring to put this in there, or anything of that nature.
Q Okay, so are you also saying that Director Tenet did not say
that?
MR. McCLELLAN: Again, I can't -- Director Tenet did not say what?
I mean, I think you have to ask Director Tenet what he said.
Q Senator Durbin said --
MR. McCLELLAN: Senator Durbin is putting words in someone else's
mouth and trying to characterize it in a way that I think is just
nonsense. It's absolute nonsense. And I think you have to look at the
reason why he was making those comments. I mean, maybe he's going
back, trying to justify his own vote against taking action, against
addressing the threats that we face. And now look at Iraq, look at the
people of Iraq. The people of Iraq are liberated from a brutal,
oppressive regime. Look at Saddam Hussein. He is gone from power. He
is no longer a threat to the region, to his people, or to the world.
And he is no longer a threat to America. His weapons of mass
destruction, he cannot use his weapons of mass destruction.
And it's very important to point out that when we talk about this,
we're talking about a region of instability and a region that has led
to terrorism, the Middle East. And a peaceful and secure and
democratic Iraq is going to help bring about a peaceful and stable
Middle East. And that's very important.
Q Last follow-up, Scott. Have you found an answer to Jeanne's
question from Tuesday? Did the President know that that information
about Africa and uranium was taken out of the October speech?
MR. McCLELLAN: I'm sorry, repeat the --
Q Yes. Jeanne asked you on Tuesday if the President knew that
the information about Africa and uranium had been taken out of the --
MR. McCLELLAN: Yes. Really, I mean, I've told you what I know
previously on that question, and I don't really have anything to add.
Let me go to Tom -- I'll come to you. I'll come to you. Tom.
Q The White House web site has a picture on it of the President
going over the State of the Union address and it says he's examining it
line by line and word by word. Did he in fact go over it line by line
and word by word? Are you going to keep this picture on the web site
in light of the controversy? And if he went over it line by line and
word by word, why isn't it proper for the President to take more
responsibility for his own words?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, you know, again, it goes back to exactly what
I was talking about, I believe, with David, when we were going through
how the vetting process works. There are a lot of people involved in
that that have input into it and the bottom line is, the speech was
cleared. But we learned some more information later we should not have
included it in there. But I haven't seen the specific picture.
Q I had one other thing, too. The Iraqi scientist who had the
centrifuge buried in his garden, he has apparently told the U.S.
officials that have interrogated him that there was no restart of the
Iraqi nuclear program, and that the aluminum tubes that Baghdad bought
had nothing to do with the -- with nuclear weapons. How do you assess
--
MR. McCLELLAN: That's the first time I've heard that. I'd have to
look into it, Tom. Frankly, I've not heard that before. But what we
did know is what he had buried in his back yard for a period of time.
And that's just another piece of evidence of Saddam Hussein wanting to
acquire nuclear weapons that goes back over a long period of time.
But again, I mean, you have to go back to the bigger picture. That
was one piece of a much broader case against Saddam Hussein. And I
think that you will see the leaders who are in town today, the Prime
Minister as well as the President, talk about the most dangerous threat
of our time, and that's the nexus between outlaw regimes with weapons
of mass destruction and terrorist groups.
Going to the broader body of evidence, which is very compelling,
you had a regime in Iraq that possessed chemical and biological weapons
and had shown a willingness to use chemical weapons on his own people.
And you had a very unique situation, a dictator that was willing to
invade his neighbors and did invade his neighbors in the past. You had
a dictator who defied 17 United Nations Security Council resolutions
and refused to comply with the international community for 12 years, a
dictator who sponsored and harbored known terrorists and terrorist
groups.
So there is an overwhelming body of evidence about this threat.
And this was a threat that we confronted and is no longer there.
Q Scott, when I asked you about the Cincinnati speech, I asked
you if the President knew that the line had been taken out at the
direction of the CIA, and you didn't answer the question. It's a
simple "yes" or "no." Did the President know?
MR. McCLELLAN: I think that -- again, I can tell you what I know.
And I know that we've got two different speeches we're talking about
here and two pieces of information that were based on some -- well, one
that was based on a specific source and a specific amount of
information, and it was removed from that speech -- another that was
based on broader sourcing. And the President learned after the State
of the Union address about these forged documents and the other
information --
Q But I didn't ask that.
MR. McCLELLAN: I know, Jeanne. I'm telling you what I know.
Q I'm asking specifically, did the President know, back in
October, that at CIA direction that this information had been removed
from his speech?
MR. McCLELLAN: And I've addressed it based on what I know and the
President has stated, when he learned about it.
Q No, I am asking -- it's a "yes" or "no" question, or an "I
don't know." It's a direct question. Do you not know?
MR. McCLELLAN: I told you what I do know.
Q Are you saying that -- you talked about, or you were asked
about the insistence. Are you saying that the impetus for including
this information in the State of the Union did not come from the White
House?
MR. McCLELLAN: I'm saying, Jim, that when you pull together a
speech, there are a lot of people pulling together facts. And there
was information in our National Intelligence Estimate that we looked to
about Iraq's nuclear weapons program. And we put some of that
information into the speech. There is a public British document out
there, and we made a decision to cite that British document. No one is
saying that information is wrong. The British stand fully behind that
information. They had additional sources that we did not have, and
they feel very strongly about the information that they had.
Q Actually, in my discussions with officials here and
elsewhere, the people never pushed the nuclear thing as much as the
chemical and biological thing. But on the other hand, Vice President
Cheney said flatly at one point that Iraq is reconstituting it's
nuclear weapons.
MR. McCLELLAN: He was referring to its nuclear weapons program.
If you go back and look at that interview, I know which one you're
citing. And repeatedly throughout that interview he was talking about
reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. You're right about that
one statement was said, but he was referring to reconstitution of a
nuclear weapons program.
Q And did the administration have any second thoughts about
that statement? Does anything that you have learned since cast doubt
on that assertion?
MR. McCLELLAN: No, in fact, and again, you pointed out, and I
appreciate you pointing it out, that the nuclear -- reconstitution of
nuclear weapons program was one part of its overall chemical -- its
overall weapons of mass destruction program, chemical and biological
weapons.
But Secretary Powell, in his U.N. presentation, talked about Saddam
Hussein's intent to reconstitute a nuclear program in Iraq. And he
talked about the repeated covert attempts to acquire high specification
aluminum tubes from 11 different countries. And we recognize there's
been some dispute about that. But most experts think they were
intended to serve as rotors and centrifuges to enrich uranium.
We also had intelligence from multiple intelligence sources that
Iraq attempt to acquire magnets and high-speed balancing machines.
Both items can be used in a gas centrifuge program to enrich uranium.
And Secretary Powell also pointed out the nuclear Mujahideen that
Saddam Hussein paid increasing attention to over the previous 18 months
leading up to the action and praising them for their progress.
Q So you're standing by the overall assertion that they were,
in fact, trying to reconstitute their nuclear program in spite of what
--
MR. McCLELLAN: That was one part of -- absolutely, very compelling
case against Saddam Hussein and the threat that he posed and the reason
that we took the action that we took. There were a number of reasons
-- it wasn't just what he had, it was his willingness to use them, as
well. It was his willingness to conceal these efforts, go to great
lengths to conceal these efforts.
Q According to people who were in the briefing room with
Senator -- with CIA Director Tenet yesterday, his testimony raised a
lot of questions, fresh questions about what the White House's role
was, why exactly this line got in there, how it got in there and so
forth. And there was a suggestion that perhaps the committee will have
further hearings, perhaps open hearings, and might want to hear from
White House officials. Is this something that the White House is
willing to do -- we're not getting very many answers, but will
Congress?
MR. McCLELLAN: We've stated over the last few days, and even
before, what we knew, when we knew it, and so forth. And so I think
the White House officials have addressed this. Congress is looking
into it. I'm not aware of any requests beyond that.
Q Was the President aware that there were changes made to
drafts of the State of the Union to reflect the concerns that were
raised by the CIA about the quantity of uranium and specifications
involved as other officials have told --
MR. McCLELLAN: What specific sources are you citing?
Q We've been told a couple of times in different briefings that
the CIA raised concerns about --
MR. McCLELLAN: In the State of the Union.
Q -- early drafts to the State of the Union, regarding the
quantity, and I forget exactly what the phraseology was, but some of
the specifics about the original references in the State of the Union,
to the attempt to buy uranium. Was the President aware --
MR. McCLELLAN: Yes, that's what I'm asking what changes you're
referring to -- because I think that --
Q -- any changes that were made regarding the reference to
Africa and uranium.
MR. McCLELLAN: Because as I understand it, in the speech vetting
process, that the documents were referring to uranium from Africa. And
that's what the State of the Union was referring to. And it was based
on the National Intelligence Estimate. And that's what I understand --
Q But Dr. Rice told us on the plane flying to Uganda on Friday
that the CIA had raised issues about some of the specifics in some of
the early drafts of the State of the Union. They were changed. And
what I'm asking is whether the President knew that those changes were
made --
MR. McCLELLAN: I want to go back, so I'm precise and make sure I'm
giving you --
Q Okay, but then I want to make sure we get an answer on this,
then.
MR. McCLELLAN: -- and look exactly at -- well, let me see what --
let me refresh my memory and look back and see what Condi said.
Q It was pretty specific. They raised issues and the draft was
changed. I'm asking whether the President knew that the draft was --
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, look, I think that this issue has been
addressed. The State of the Union speech was not referring to specific
amounts, specific source, specific country. It was talking about what
was in the National Intelligence Estimate.
Q The final version, but we don't know what it said in the
early drafts, other than that we know that it was changed, based on
concerns raised by the CIA. And I'm saying, did the President know
about those changes?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, Dick, it just doesn't change the bottom line
that we learned information later and we should not have included that
-- we should not have included that statement in this speech.
Q There were concerns raised by the CIA during the drafting of
the speech. It does --
MR. McCLELLAN: I'll see if there's anything else. But I really
think it's been addressed.
Q Two questions. One on Iraq. Today, a new tape has surfaced
in the Middle East that sounds very much like the voice of Saddam
Hussein calling for war against the infidels. Has the White House
assessed, or the intelligence services assessed this tape yet? Does
the White House know if it is Saddam Hussein or not?
MR. McCLELLAN: I'm sure the CIA will evaluate it and I have seen
the reports of it. But I'm not in a position to confirm the
authenticity at this point. I think that's something that the CIA will
look at.
Regardless, Saddam Hussein and his regime are gone and they will
never come back. The remnants loyal to the former regime and foreign
terrorists operating inside Iraq and other killers who are members of
the Iraqi people will fail as well. There are people that are trying
to target some of the successes that the coalition provisional
authority is making working with the Iraqi people, and so we've seen a
lot of that. But I cannot confirm the authenticity of the tape, but I
know that he is history.
Q I've been asking you about a date for Mahmoud Abbas and you
just said he is coming here on the 25th. We've been hearing a long
time about Prime Minister Sharon coming here. Was the date for Mr.
Sharon set after Prime Minister Mahmoud accepted coming here on the
25th? Any particular reason why he comes first and Sharon comes
second?
MR. McCLELLAN: I don't know if there is any particular reason to
that. I'd have to look into it. We look forward to visiting with both
of them. There is some progress being made. There is a long way to
go, but there is some progress being made and we look forward -- the
President looks forward to visiting with both leaders.
Q The President invited him and you have said that the
invitation was accepted. Did you have to wait until he set the date or
did you set the date?
MR. McCLELLAN: I'm sorry, the --
Q Did he set the date when he could come or did you set the
date?
MR. McCLELLAN: It's worked out in a mutual way. It's worked out
for everybody's mutual concern.
Q Just to follow-up on Mike's noble attempt to cross t's and
dot i's. What you're saying is "nonsense" is any suggestion that
someone at NSC was pressuring for a line in the speech that said that
Saddam was trying to get uranium out of Africa.
MR. McCLELLAN: It's outrageous and it's nonsense.
Q Okay, so there was no pressure from the NSC before that line
in the speech?
MR. McCLELLAN: It's just outrageous. And look at -- go back and
ask why these statements are being made. This is an attempt to just
rewrite history and to justify a vote that was taken against the course
of action that we took.
Q Why won't you give us more details about who at the NSC wants
what and what specific --
MR. McCLELLAN: Because, Keith, I really think that we've
acknowledged, and we've talked about this extensively already. We've
acknowledged that the statements should not have been included in the
speech. And the fact that the overriding case was not changed by that
one statement.
Q I just want to ask you a little about the line by line. The
President's not at all disappointed that it appears now that the
Director of the Central Intelligence Agency didn't, in fact, know about
this beforehand, and it was only learned about after the speech?
MR. McCLELLAN: He appreciates what the CIA Director said, I should
have said, take it out.
Q But he's not at all concerned about these new revelations?
MR. McCLELLAN: I think he feels that this issue has been
addressed.
Q Scott, on this -- two of the columnists for World Net Daily's
five million readers, Joseph Farrah and Neal Bortz, who are also
nationally syndicated radio talk show hosts, both contend that most of
what you and Ari have been hearing for the last three press briefings
has, a uranium flap without any evidence, and that Bush's State of the
Union statement about Saddam seeking uranium has not been shown to be
untrue.
And my question: As Presidential Press Secretary, do you know of
any American newspaper, newsmagazine, wire service, or TV network that
offers anywhere near as much opportunity for public expression as
either talk radio or the Internet on -- (laughter).
MR. McCLELLAN: Are you asking me to promote something, Les?
Q No, no, no, one follows the other.
MR. McCLELLAN: Go ahead to your question.
Q As Commander-in-Chief, what does the President think would
happen to recruiting rates in our all volunteer Armed Forces if, as
candidates Kerry, Kunicich, and Sharpton advocated the don't ask, don't
tell policy were ended, if all sexual orientations were recruited?
MR. McCLELLAN: We'll let the Democratic primary talk amongst
itself. The President's focused on the people's business. He's made
his position very clear about his support for the policy.
Q Can you give us a reaction to the definition -- the formal
end of the recession as defined by the agency responsible?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I think a couple of points. One, we have
said for a long time, and I think most economists have, as well, that
the economy is recovering. But the President is not satisfied because
he does not believe it is recovering fast enough. There are a lot of
people who are looking for work, and as long as there is one person
looking for work that cannot find a job, the President will not be
satisfied.
And that's why the jobs and growth plan that we passed recently, in
addition to the previous measures -- initiatives we took, is helping to
get the economy growing stronger. And that's what our focus is on.
We're putting money back into people's pockets so that they can go and
use that on a good or a service. And that will help create jobs and
get the economy growing. We're giving businesses incentive to invest
and create jobs as well, and focused on just getting people back to
work.
Q Can I follow up, Scott? This recession happened entirely on
this the President's watch. Does the President accept the entirety of
the blame, or does he think Bill Clinton should be blamed for it?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, the President is not one that focuses on
blame or finger pointing. The President focuses on what we need to do
to address challenges. And that's why he put forward some bold
initiatives to address this challenge. This was one of the highest
priorities the President has, to get our economy growing and create
jobs for the American people.
Q And all those lines in his speeches about the downturn
beginning --
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, those are all very factual. The economy was
slowing well before he took office, and he did inherit a recession.
Q Scott, Russia is calling for a new U.N. resolution to help
stabilize Iraq, given that U.S. forces are under attack. What does the
President think of the concept of a new U.N. resolution?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I think that there are some very preliminary
discussions going on. We have to wait and see where those discussions
lead. You do have resolution 1483 at the U.N. that calls upon
countries to assist in stabilization of Iraq and provides ample legal
authority for countries to participate. And a good number of countries
are doing that under resolution 1483.
We're aware that some countries believe they need additional
authority, and there have been some general conversations to understand
those concerns. But there are no discussions of a new resolution at
this point. So these discussions are very preliminary.
Q Scott, you've said that Senator Durbin disagreed with you on
the war, fair enough. He's still a U.S. Senator, he's a member of the
Select Intelligence Committee. He was in the hearing yesterday and he
said what he said. The Chairman of the Committee, Pat Roberts, who was
not an opponent of the President's, came out of the briefing yesterday
-- or the hearing yesterday, and was asked specifically, do you think
George Tenet should take sole responsibility for this, and his response
was, I think the responsibility goes all the way along the chain. And
he said he would follow that where it leads, let the chips fall where
they may. Can you say today who or at what level -- at what point that
line was inserted into the speech and why?
MR. McCLELLAN: I think we've been through this. I mean, I think
I've been through the speech, and the two different speeches, as a
matter of fact, and how this happened and why we said it after the
fact, when we learned more information, that it should not have been
included in the speech. I think that's been addressed.
Q Why is the White House having a problem --
MR. McCLELLAN: I think we have to ask why are people trying to
rewrite history? Why are people implying certain things in order to
justify their positions or to seek a political advantage?
Q But the White House focus has been on whose responsibility
was it to take it out? And the White House has been clear, it was
George Tenet's responsibility to take it out. Why is the White House
having such difficulty --
MR. McCLELLAN: I think Director Tenet said, I should have said,
take it out. That's what Director Tenet said.
Q Why is the White House having such a hard time saying how it
got in there in the first place?
MR. McCLELLAN: I think we've gone through these issues. These
issues were addressed last week and this week.
Q Humor me. Maybe I --
MR. McCLELLAN: Let me keep moving.
Q One thing that you've said on any number of occasions, that
it was a mistake to put it in, that it shouldn't have gone in. Fine.
Since then, you've also said that it's not been proven -- that initial
claim that Saddam tried to buy uranium from Niger or Africa or anywhere
has not been disproved. Is there additional evidence now that makes
the administration think that this actually -- that did occur, that he
did try to purchase yellow cake, or whatever, from some place in
Africa? And if it were to occur today, could it be included in the --
do you have enough evidence to include it in the -- in a speech or
anything today?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, again, the reference in the speech was to the
British document. And the British stand fully behind that document.
They had additional sourcing and they made some commitments to that
source -- to those sources that they would not share that information
elsewhere.
Q -- confident that it's accurate to say that Saddam attempted
to purchase yellow cake, or whatever, from an African nation?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, we didn't feel we had the specific enough
information --
Q But now? I'm talking about now.
MR. McCLELLAN: -- where it rose to the presidential level, and so
--
Q There's been subsequent investigation, presumably. Do you
now feel --
MR. McCLELLAN: That statement did not impact the overall case or
the decision that was made.
Q That's fine. I understand that. But I'm just wondering, are
you confident in saying now, after --
MR. McCLELLAN: There's nothing to show that it's wrong. We have
still pointed that out.
Q Different subject. Since the President reportedly plans to
nominate Californian Johnny Rogers Brown to the U.S. Court of Appeals
for the District, doesn't this mean, in fact, that the nomination of
Miguel Estrada is dead?
MR. McCLELLAN: Which -- I don't know the specific -- I'll have to
look into your specific question, Sarah. Let me look into it.
Q I have another question. As we know by now, the Queen of
Latin salsa, Celia Cruz, died yesterday in New Jersey. Is the
President planning some eulogy or message based on her life?
MR. McCLELLAN: I can find out. You can see me later. I'll see
what I can find out.
Q Go back to the Iraq situation. Is the President afraid to
take the responsibility what he said before Congress to the American
people, or is the White House planning to use the White House as a
scapegoat for the blame this scandal that around the world doesn't have
any sense of what are you telling us today?
MR. McCLELLAN: The President takes responsibility for the decision
he made to confront a grave and growing threat rather than ignore it.
And America is safer for it. That's what the President believes. And
he made the right decision. And, again, there are some that are trying
to simply rewrite history here.
There was never a debate about the overall case, whether or not
Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, or had a program, or
was willing to use them, or had used them in the past. Until recently,
some are trying to suggest that that threat wasn't real. And that
threat was even more real after September 11th.
Q Do you think the President will be able to convince France or
Germany, for example, to participate in the stabilization of Iraq
before these --
MR. McCLELLAN: I'm sorry, do I think the President would what?
Q Will convince the governments of France and Germany to
participate in the stabilization of Iraq if --
MR. McCLELLAN: In the stabilization, is that what you said?
Q Yes.
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, there are a number of countries we continue
to talk to. We continue to talk to countries of the European Union, as
well. We have a number of countries that are helping in a variety of
ways, and we're continuing to discuss with others.
I think that it is important now for everybody to recognize that a
free and democratic Iraq will help bring about peace and stability in
the region, and we appreciate contributions the countries can make to
help us as we move Iraq towards democracy and prosperity and make it
more secure for the Iraqi people so that they can live in freedom and
they can govern themselves.
Q Thank you. Did you give any deadline to North Korea the
other day when you said all options are still on the table? And has
there been any progress within the last few days?
MR. McCLELLAN: We are hopeful for some progress. As you may be
aware, China has been very helpful, because China recognizes that we
should not have a nuclearized peninsula.
And we now have a Chinese official coming to visit with
administration officials. And we're hopeful that some progress can be
made. We seek to continue -- well, we continue to pursue a diplomatic
solution through multilateral talks. And that's where our focus is,
talks that would include China, include Japan, include South Korea, as
well. We think that's important.
Q Is there a deadline --
MR. McCLELLAN: I'm sorry?
Q Is there a deadline?
MR. McCLELLAN: A deadline. I don't know of any deadline, no.
Q Thank you, thank you.
MR. McCLELLAN: Thank you.
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