For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
November 18, 2002
Interview of the President by Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty
The Library
NATO Summit Trip
1:45 P.M. EST
Q Mr. President, this week NATO will be celebrating an historic
expansion, as well as focusing on transforming the Alliance to meet new
threats, such as Iraq. You have spoken about the possibility of
leading a coalition of the willing against Iraq. Why not speak about
using NATO forces against Iraq, since, under NATO's charter, all
members are supposed to come to the aid of any member under direct
threat?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, I hope we can do this
peacefully. And by doing it peacefully, that means I hope Saddam
Hussein disarms. Of course, we've hoped that for 11 years. We've
hoped that for 16 resolutions. We now have a 17th resolution and this
time, I intend to work with nations that love freedom and peace, make
sure the resolution stands. And if he doesn't disarm, you're right,
I'll lead a coalition of the willing to disarm him.
And there's all kinds of ways for that coalition to be formed. It
could be formed with NATO if they choose. I have said to the U.N.
Security Council we'll go back and discuss the matter with you. But
Mr. Saddam Hussein must understand he'll be disarmed one way or the
other. I hope it's done peacefully.
Q The new members of NATO are quite small. Do you see them as
contributing something significant militarily to the Alliance?
THE PRESIDENT: I was hoping you'd ask, do I see them contributing
something to the Alliance. I'll answer it that way. First, I'll
answer it militarily -- because I do believe they can contribute
something really important, and that is they can contribute their love
for freedom. These are countries which have lived in totalitarian
states. They haven't been free. And now they've seen freedom and they
love freedom. Just like America loves freedom. And that's going to be
a really important -- it will add some vigor to the relationship in
NATO that's healthy and wholesome.
And I think they will. The key is to -- I think they will help
militarily -- but the key is to change the military strategy of
NATO. Lord Robertson understands this. It starts with the
understanding that Russia is not our enemy. NATO doesn't need to be
constructed to prevent the Warsaw Pact from invading Europe. After
all, the Warsaw Pact doesn't exist. As a matter of fact, the Warsaw
Pact is becoming NATO, slowly but surely. We don't need that type of
mentality, and we've got to have a military strategy that addresses the
true threats.
The threats we face are global terrorist attacks. That's the
threat. And the more you love freedom, the more likely it is you'll be
attacked. And therefore, the Article 5 that you referred to for NATO
becomes very relevant in this war against terror.
The war against terror will not only be defeated -- the
terrorists will not only be defeated militarily, but the terrorists
will be defeated as we share intelligence, and as we cut off money, and
as we deny access, and as we stiffen up border requirements in order to
make sure that people can't go from one spot to another with plots
and/or messages to attack.
And so it's a different kind of war. And it's going to be an
interesting meeting, because not only is the meeting going to expand,
but the meeting is going to address how best to achieve this common
objective. I'm absolutely convinced that the so-called military gap
between America and all countries can be addressed with a good
strategy. And that will be interesting for observers to watch. I
think it's going to happen. I know that Lord Robertson, who runs NATO,
is committed to developing a relevant strategy and one that will work.
Q Russian President Vladimir Putin has equated his war in
Chechnya with the U.S. war on terrorism. Do you agree with that
equation, or do you still feel, as was stated during your election
campaign, that Russian forces are committing brutalities against
innocent Chechen civilians?
THE PRESIDENT: I think that Russia should be able to -- or hope
that Russia should be able to solve their issue with Chechnya
peacefully. That's not to say that Vladimir shouldn't do what it takes
to protect his people from individual terrorist attacks. But this is a
different kind of war that we face. This is a war where we're dealing
with people who hide in caves and kind of shadowing corners of the
world and send people to their suicidal deaths. It's a war that I
believe can lend itself both to chasing those people down and, at the
same time, solving issues in a peaceful way, with respect for the human
rights of minorities within countries.
I said that in the campaign. I also say it to Mr. Putin every time
I see him.
Q Do you envision Russia ever becoming a full-fledged member of
NATO?
THE PRESIDENT: I think the partnership between NATO and Russia is
going to be a very constructive partnership. We'll see. Time will
tell. The key thing is to make sure the relationship works the way it
should, which really says to Russia that a expanded NATO on your border
is not a threat to you or your future. As a matter of fact, it should
enable you to grow peacefully.
I'm going from Prague to St. Petersburg precisely to deliver that
message to the Russian people, that even though NATO will have been
expanded on your border, particularly in sensitive areas like the
Baltics, you should not fear expansion, you should welcome expansion,
because you've now got a neighborhood that is much more peaceful for
you to -- in which to realize your vast potential. And that's
important for Russia to hear.
Q Russia now has a special counsel with NATO --
THE PRESIDENT: Are we getting the hook already?
Q Does that mean we're running out of time? Let me ask you
another question --
THE PRESIDENT: It's hard to see on radio.
Q Central Asia -- we broadcast to Central Asia. And many
experts say that the authoritarian regimes in that region are actually
fueling terrorism because their people feel helpless and unable to
effect change. Do you think there are any dangers in the U.S. aligning
itself closely with those governments that are --
THE PRESIDENT: I think any time the United States aligns itself
with a government that we never forget the basic premises of our
existence, and that is freedom is important, the human condition for
all are important. We value every life, everybody counts. And in my
judgment, the more people relate to the United States and work with the
United States, the more likely it is they will work to improve the
human condition. And that's what we spend a lot of time doing. One of
the great things about our country is that we embrace freedom, first
and foremost.
It's one of my concerns about Iraq. Listen, we've got people
living in Iraq that are tortured and brutalized in order to keep this
man in power. I weep for those who suffer. And so the great cause of
the United States is freedom. I tell these countries, they talk about
freedom -- I say freedom isn't America's gift to the world. It's
God-given. Everybody counts.
And it is with that spirit of recognizing the values of freedom I
think will help improve people, no matter where. And you're right,
there's some leaders there that need work with, and we're prepared to
work with them. But I will tell you, people -- poverty is a tool for
recruitment amongst these global terrorists. It's a way for them to
recruit, perhaps. But poverty doesn't cause killers to exist. And
it's an important distinction to make.
These global terrorists are, some of them are rich, monetarily.
They're obviously poor in spirit. They have no regard for human life.
They claim they're religious, and they kill in the name of religion.
And there are some breeding grounds, no question about it. And
therefore, we hope that prosperity spreads out from central government
to help people. But I hope people don't confuse the mentality of the
terrorist leaders and economic plight, because these people are plenty
comfortable. They just kill. And we're going to get them before they
get us.
And that's what the world needs to know about the United States.
Q Osama bin Laden still seems to be alive. Are you --
THE PRESIDENT: Could be.
Q -- worried that he's plotting another major attack on the
United States?
THE PRESIDENT: Whether it's him or somebody else, they're plotting
an attack, no question about it. That's why we've got to get them.
But this issue is bigger than one person. If -- the war on terror is
a group of fanatics. They hate America because of what we stand for.
They hate us because we love freedom. And that's why we're on the
hunt. And slowly but surely, we're dismantling them.
I told the people of this country it's going to take a while. I
said it's going to be patient -- the farther we get away from
September the 11th, 2001, the more people are going to tend to forget
what took place in this country. And it's normal reaction for people
to just kind of settle back and hope that something doesn't exist. But
my job is to remind people of the threats we face, based upon facts,
and to find these killers. And that's exactly what we're going to do.
As I tell people in America, there's no cave dark enough to hide from
the justice of America, and our friends.
And my speech I'm going to give in Prague to the youngsters there,
I'm going to remind them there is a coalition of the willing in place
right now, chasing down terror. We've got 90 nations -- 90 different
nations all teamed up, doing everything we can to bring these people to
justice. And we'll prevail. Make no mistake about it, we'll prevail.
Thank you, sir.
Q Thank you, sir.
THE PRESIDENT: Is there any doubt in your mind we'll prevail?
Q Not anymore. (Laughter.)
END 1:55 P.M. EST
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