For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
November 25, 2002
Press Briefing by Ari Fleischer
James S. Brady Press Briefing Room
12:20 P.M. EST
MR. FLEISCHER:
Good afternoon. I'll give you a report on the
President's day, and then I'm happy to take your questions. The
President began with an intelligence briefing, followed by an FBI
briefing. And then he announced the winners of the 2002 President's
Quality Award program for excellence and serving the public as a
government official. It was awarded to several federal agencies.
Then the President signed into law the first of four bills that he
will sign into law this week, this being the Maritime Transportation
Security Act of 2002, to protect the American people from any threats
that might involve the use of maritime. And then he will sign into law
the Homeland Security Act of 2002, the largest reorganization of the
federal government since 1942.
As I indicated, tomorrow the President will sign into law terrorism
insurance legislation to help create jobs in the country. And on
Wednesday, he will sign into law the 911 Commission, capping off a week
of accomplishments, which also is an appropriate finish to what has
really been two good years of accomplishment, working with the Congress
on a host of issues, both foreign policy related and domestic.
And that's the President's schedule for the day. I'm happy to take
your questions. Helen.
Q Why didn't the President -- the White House intervene to
help the unemployed workers get their compensation benefits beyond
December 28th, when they'll be -- Christmastide, and they'll be
without a livelihood?
MR. FLEISCHER: We would have liked to have seen that done. And we
worked very hard with both the House and the Senate to urge them to
work with each other to get it done. Ultimately, the House and the
Senate had different ways of accomplishing the goal of extending
unemployment benefits. I remind you that earlier this year, the
President supported it, signed it into law as part of the economic
stimulus package. So the President was on record for it.
Unfortunately, the House and the Senate were not able to a reach an
agreement on this, despite the White House's urgings.
Q I've seen reports that if the White House had used its clout
and intervened, then it would have happened.
MR. FLEISCHER: I'm not sure I can call those reports. Those were
some of the statements made by some of the Democrats on the Hill who,
after they realized that the Congress wasn't going to get it done, they
turned to the White House and said, you do it for us. The fact of the
matter is, unless the House and the Senate pass identical legislation
it cannot proceed. The White House urged the House and the Senate to
pass identical legislation. We have some influence, but we don't have
control over the Congress.
Q You mean the Republican leaders would not take your advice?
MR. FLEISCHER: I'm not sure it was just the Republicans. I think
there was just not sufficient agreement between the House and the
Senate to get the job done, and the President was disappointed.
Q What can we assume about your -- what kind of priority,
that is, you took when the President, at every speech, every time he
was in front of the media, talk about terrorism insurance and talk
about the need for homeland security, but rarely, if ever talk about
the need to get unemployment done?
MR. FLEISCHER: Let me make a couple points. One, as I indicated,
the President did sign this into law earlier in the year as part of the
fiscal stimulus package, and he was pleased to do so. The President
remains concerned about a jobless recovery. And it's interesting, when
you take a look at the economic trends, if you recall -- take a look
back at 2002 -- you had surging growth in the first quarter of 2002;
then you had a slowdown in growth; then you had decent-size growth, 3
percent, in the third quarter. And now we're trying to assess what the
fourth quarter will look like.
And so, as is typical of an economy coming out of a recession, the
economy is growing in fits and spurts, not as far as the President
would like it to. It remains a concern for him to make sure that
people are working.
I can't predict, Ron, everything that will happen with economic
certainty, and I won't preface a guess what the President is going to
propose, if he might propose anything on this. I simply say that the
President remains very concerned about it because he's concerned about
a jobless recovery.
Q I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. I was wondering why he didn't
call last week and the week before and the week before for these
unemployment benefits.
MR. FLEISCHER: Well, we did. We actively worked on Capitol Hill
to try to make it happen.
Q We never heard from him, though, did we?
MR. FLEISCHER: I think this was a lot of work behind the scenes
because this an issue where it does down to the legislative wire. And
either the work was going to get done or not get done behind closed
doors up on the Hill. And that's where we lent our efforts to try to
help them to get it done.
Q As the President signs the Homeland Security Act today, is he
concerned that in the short-term, there could be a decrease in homeland
security because of the merger issues that in any merger like this
occur?
MR. FLEISCHER: No. The President believes that as a result of
signing this into law, while there may be some wrinkles that are going
to have to get ironed out, as with any transition to a major new
department, the creation of this department will enhance American's
homeland security. It will bring people together in the security field
who are the experts under one roof to help them to do their jobs and to
do them better.
Q So he has no concern about how the clash of -- that some
people talk about that could occur by bringing these agencies under one
roof, or the efficiencies in terms of computer systems or whatever that
will all have to get worked out, that that won't impact the security of
the country?
MR. FLEISCHER: I think there is no question from the point of view
of the experts who are involved in security, as well as the bipartisan
consensus of the House and the Senate, as well, of course, as President
Bush, that bringing these people together under one roof will enhance
our homeland security. The process, which will take a couple years, in
the process of bringing people together, there, of course, are going to
be wrinkles that need to get ironed out. No transition is perfect.
But it is the judge of the experts, as well as the elected officials,
that this process will lead to enhanced homeland security for the
America people.
Q So you think a couple of years is the time frame -- that in
a couple years, the American people can expect these improvements in
homeland security to be realized?
MR. FLEISCHER: No, I think the improvements we're going to want to
start taking place rather quickly. But it will not hit its ideal point
of being a final department, as with the creation of previous
departments, for a certain period of time. It's unreasonable to expect
that because a new department has been created, America will change
overnight. That's not going to be the case. But America will change
and America's ability to have homeland security will be improved.
Q Why isn't it a hindrance that the FBI and the CIA will not be
under the same department?
MR. FLEISCHER: Well, it was the judgment of the experts -- and
this is why the President made the proposal he did, which obviously was
greeted with large support in the Congress -- to make certain that
the FBI and the CIA have their independent roles. The President
thought that was very important.
And one reason for that -- and this is a lesson of September 11th
-- is the President thinks it is absolutely essential for this
President and all future Presidents to have an empowered director of
both the FBI and the CIA to come, separate and apart from a Cabinet
secretary, and brief the President on what it is that their agencies
are doing, that their involvements, and their roles, and the functions
of their agencies are so important that he wants to make certain that
they have that distinct identity and they have the ability and the
means to carry out their missions, as well as the responsibility of
knowing that they will, indeed, be measured by the President of the
United States on a regular basis.
Q Hasn't the President's moral clarity in this war on terrorism
been undermined by the fact that Pakistan, who is supposed to be an
ally, has reportedly transferred technology to -- nuclear technology
to North Korea, and now the Saudi government is under investigation for
transferring money to hijackers?
MR. FLEISCHER: Well, one, on the question of Pakistan and North
Korea, I think that September 11th changed many things. And a new
government, if you will, in Pakistan is not always doing things that
they used to do. And so, times have, indeed, changed. Not everything
that took place years ago gets repeated today.
And on Saudi Arabia, your question is?
Q The fact that they are under investigation for transferring
money to the hijackers.
MR. FLEISCHER: Okay, first of all, that country is not under
investigation. A certain set of circumstances involving a transfer is
being looked at.
Q The royal family.
MR. FLEISCHER: Well, I think that if you take --
Q I mean, you can parse it, but the investigation is the
investigation, isn't it?
MR. FLEISCHER: But I don't think that you can define relations
with a country around the fact that, A, an investigation may be taking
place. It's a much more complicated world than that. And so I don't
think it changes moral clarity.
Q It's not complicated when the President comes out and says,
you're either with us or against us, all Americans understand that.
What seems to be a little bit more questionable is when somebody that's
supposed to be an ally like Pakistan is helping a spoke in this axis of
evil. And Saudi -- and you're constantly on the defensive about what
the Saudis are or are not doing.
MR. FLEISCHER: And what were the -- what were the dates of those
transfers, Mr. Gregory?
Q You tell me.
MR. FLEISCHER: Yes, as I indicated --
Q You tell me. You're saying vaguely that -- so are you
saying that they -- well, you tell me what the dates are. When did
the transfers stop?
MR. FLEISCHER: As I just indicated to you, it took place --
September 11th changed many things. Certain things happened under
different governments in Pakistan in a time period not represented by
Pakistan today. Events change and so do nations.
Q And that's not going on anymore?
MR. FLEISCHER: I think in regard to the question that you asked
pertaining to the newspaper story, it was clear from that story that
this is not immediate history. This is history of several years ago.
Q Why should anyone believe that transferring 170,000 people
from 22 different agencies will result in a more efficient bureaucracy
-- a bureaucracy being generally judged to be inherently inefficient?
MR. FLEISCHER: The issue isn't the number of people, the issue is
the mission of the people. And the mission to protect the homeland
currently is scattered throughout 22 different agencies, reporting to
22 different bosses. And the President thinks that you can enhance
security as a result of bringing these 22 agencies together under one
roof where their entire focus is going to be their primary mission,
protecting the homeland; and as a result of this new mission, that it
will, indeed, bring people together with more expertise, more sharing
of information behind that mission.
If I can I'll give you a couple examples of it. There are several
agencies in the government that have dual purposes. Take the Secret
Service, for example. They were originally started during the Civil
War for the purpose of fighting counterfeiters. They did not have a
presidential protection mission until actually -- in final
authoritative way from the Congress until 1951. The Secret Service has
that dual mission. The Coast Guard has a dual mission of being able to
protect and rescue people who are -- maybe, perhaps be lost or
drowning at sea, with protecting the coastline against any ships that
may approach with hostile intent, or smuggling, et cetera.
The purpose of putting them in a new department is to create a
sense of all these workers -- that their primary mission, their core
function of why they exist is to protect the homeland. They will,
indeed, continue to carry out their secondary missions. But it's a
reflection of the fact that their missions now are secondary. When it
comes to those other important priorities, those priorities will remain
underway.
But their core mission becomes protecting the homeland, much in the
same way that September 11th changed the mission of the FBI from an
agency that had a long history of prosecuting arrest -- developing
evidence so an arrest could be prosecuted, into now preventing
terrorism. September 11th changed many of the missions for the federal
government. This change brings all the security -- many of the
security agencies of the federal government together under one roof to
better protect the American people.
Q Yet in the year or so that it will take them to get
organized, what's going to change? I mean, nothing.
MR. FLEISCHER: No, I just disagree with that. I think the experts
do, as well. By putting together these people under this one roof with
one purpose in mind, to protect the homeland, you're going to see
better interaction among these different agencies, better
coordination.
Q They won't get there for a year.
MR. FLEISCHER: I think they're going to get there over a period of
time as it ramps up. But to suggest that because it may take time is a
reason that it shouldn't be done is to suggest that our government
should never be flexible and should never respond, that our government
can only remain the same. And the President doesn't accept that.
Q I wasn't suggesting it shouldn't be done. I was just
questioning whether it would, indeed, be more efficient.
MR. FLEISCHER: And I think the answer, as I indicated earlier, is
yes.
Q First of all, congratulations again, and I wish you a happy
married life. Question, going back to North Korea and Pakistan, you
said that time has changed Pakistan and a new government is there. But
all this happened, Ari, during General Musharraf's time. And as far as
North Korea, Pakistan missile technology and exchanging with missile
technology with the nuclear, it took place only about three months ago,
as far as it went back -- not before 9/11.
And as far as money transfer is concerned, then the ISA chief was
in Washington on 9/11, and at least $100,000 wire transfer from
Pakistan to the United States, to the terrorists here. And all this
linkage after 9/11 -- not before 9/11. Like the Secretary of State
said the other day, the past is past, forget it, and let's work for the
future or in the future. What past were you talking about? Before
9/11, or after 9/11?
MR. FLEISCHER: I think before 9/11.
Q Pakistan -- General Musharraf has not done anything for the
United States. He's making a fool of us here. And he's misleading the
United States. That's what -- and others think, including The New
York Times --
MR. FLEISCHER: Okay. Thank you for that editorial. (Laughter.)
I think it is fair to say, and accurate to say, that many nations may
have done things prior to September 11th that September 11th changed,
and changed in a fundamental way, as you would expect. There is a
fundamental realignment of nations since September 11th in terms of
what they do, why they do it. And Pakistan, for example, had
diplomatic relations with the Taliban prior to September 11th. The ISI
played a role in helping to shape the Taliban prior to September 11th.
Obviously, September 11th changed all that, and in the sense of
cooperation with Pakistan, changed it for the better.
And the United States will continue to push around the world, not
only Pakistan, not only Saudi Arabia, but all nations around the world
to continue to do more in the fight against terrorism worldwide. These
changes, while 9/11 changed many things, still sometimes take time.
And the United States, President Bush, do continue and will continue to
press those nations to fulfill their responsibilities on the financial
front, political front, diplomatic front, and as necessary, the
military front, to press the war against terror wherever it is.
Some nations respond more quickly than others. Of course, in the
case of Indonesia, with the bombing in Bali, the bombing in Bali has
changed their speed at which they are cooperating on the war on
terror. Not everybody reacts the same way at the same time, but the
United States reacts the same way and will continue to press all around
the world to do more.
Q Does the President intend to renominate Otto Reich in the new
year, or will he continue as Special Envoy?
MR. FLEISCHER: Well, his recess appointment, as you know, expired
with the conclusion of the Congress. I think he has already been named
as a Special Envoy to the Western Hemisphere, reporting directly to
Secretary Powell. Beyond that, if you're asking me to engage in any
speculation about whether the President will make any further
appointments as part of the confirmation process, I just don't engage
in speculation on personnel.
Q Ari, can you just go over a little of the history again
post-September 11th? When the Democrats first suggested the department
of homeland security, the President resisted it. How now do you
explain how he came to support this idea, and what's different now from
what they originally proposed?
MR. FLEISCHER: Two issues were in play immediately after September
11th, the first being the call by some on the Hill for a creation of a
Cabinet-level department of homeland security. And what the President
urged in the meeting in the Cabinet Room in the immediate aftermath of
September 11th was our nation didn't have time to wait for Congress to
take the months it would require to get the job done. So the President
acted under the executive authority and acted immediately to create a
White House Office of Homeland Security, with Governor Ridge appointed
as the Director, reporting directly to the President.
And the President, in a meeting in the Cabinet Room, urged members
of Congress who were pushing the statutory proposal to wait until
2002. He said we did not have time to do it in 2001, we needed to
protect the nation immediately, but let us consider this in 2002. And
that is exactly what transpired.
Subsequent to that, a different issue came up involving whether or
not the White House Office should have statutory authority, and whether
the Director of the White House Office of Homeland Security should be
Senate-confirmable. If you recall, the controversy was about whether
or not Governor Ridge should testify up on the Hill. Many members
wanted him to testify. That led, in the spring of 2002, to a second
round of whether or not the Office of Homeland Security should have
statutory position, which the White House steadfastly opposed and
continued to oppose. And that was, of course, reflected in this
legislation the President will sign today. An attempt in the Senate to
make the Director in the White House Senate-confirmable was not
included in the final bill that Congress passed, as the President was
pleased to see.
So the President got exactly what he asked for, an immediate
creation of a White House Office of Homeland Security to protect the
nation, because there was not time last fall for a months-long debate
in the Congress. But then, as the nation could stand farther back from
September 11th, we did have the time to let Congress do its careful,
methodical job. And that brings us to today with the signing of the
bill.
Q Is it fair to say the President wanted to control the
process?
MR. FLEISCHER: No, I think it's fair to say the President wanted
to protect the country. And in the aftermath of the attack we did not
have months to wait for Congress to pass a department of homeland
security. I think in all cases, any time you have the largest
reorganization of the government since 1942, it was going to take
time. It was going to take months, and we did not have months.
Q But are you saying that he always supported the establishment
of a department of homeland security from that original --
MR. FLEISCHER: No, what I said is the President said let's take a
look at this next year, that he said we didn't have time to do it
through the Congress immediately after the attack. And that's why he
moved immediately to create it in the executive branch. And his
message in the Cabinet Room that day was very clear to Senator
Lieberman and others; he said, it may be a good idea, but let's take a
look at it next year. And that's exactly what he did.
Q He said take a look at it next year, but he didn't issue his
own proposal until June of the next year. That's a lot of next year
before he actually got to issuing a proposal at all. Why didn't he do
something earlier, and wouldn't we have a department of homeland
security by now if he did?
MR. FLEISCHER: Well, I don't know about that. I think Congress,
as is always the habit, waits until the last day to get things done.
So I think if he had proposed it, for example, a month earlier, in May,
I think the chances are we'd still be having the signing ceremony
today.
Q But why not in February? What precluded him, with whatever
else was going on here -- it's a White House that can multi -- task
pretty well -- what precluded him from issuing a proposal in, say,
February, instead of --
MR. FLEISCHER: Well, Keith, one of the big reasons was because, as
you know, in June, after the President made the proposal, it required a
tremendous amount of staff work up on the Hill, led by Governor Ridge
and others, to work with Congress to get it done. A mere three, four
months after the attack, Governor Ridge had a higher duty, and that
higher duty was to continue to build the homeland protections for the
United States so that we'd harden on the infrastructure and prevent
attack. It was not to become the chief lobbyist up on Capitol Hill for
the creation of a new department, it was to become the chief actor here
within the United States working with the oil and the nuclear and all
the various industries that could have been subject to attack, to help
protect them.
Q So Calio couldn't do that on his own?
MR. FLEISCHER: I think, clearly, something of this magnitude
required not only Nick Calio, who did an excellent job with this, but
Governor Ridge, as well. So I don't really know that there was any
distinction between May and June, or April and June, other than the
fact that the President made it clear to all, your first priority is to
protect the country. And that meant do your job as Director of the
Office of Homeland Security, working with the various law enforcement
people in the various private sectors so they harden their assets,
harden their facilities to prevent against attack. That was a better
use of his time in the three, four, five-month period after September
11th.
Only after that first priority was taken care of did the President
think it was then appropriate to launch what was then a very
time-consuming task of creation of a Cabinet-level department.
Q -- going to fire 850,000 people.
MR. FLEISCHER: Wendell.
Q How much are you going to consult with AFSCME on the
formation of the department, on -- the union feels it lost a battle
to preserve civil service protection. It's asking now that it be
consulted in the establishment --
MR. FLEISCHER: You will notice at the signing ceremony today that
the President has reached out, Governor Ridge has talked with the
leaders of the unions that fought this, and the union leaders will be
at the White House signing ceremony as a gesture of goodwill from the
White House to these officials.
Q Which ones?
MR. FLEISCHER: It's the heads of the largest government unions.
Q Sweeney?
MR. FLEISCHER: The government unions, Helen. The ones who
represent the federal workers. They will all be at the -- three of
them, I know, will be at the signing ceremony this afternoon.
Q The signing ceremony, the pictures are nice, but how much
input will they have in the creation --
MR. FLEISCHER: Well, first of all, I think it is gracious to
invite those who continue today to oppose that which the President is
signing. And I think it shouldn't be lost that that is a helpful way
to build relations after the two sides differed on how to get the job
done that we are reaching out. And I think that as time goes along,
they will see exactly what the President said is true, that the
President wanted to have the flexibility necessary to do the job, just
as he has it with all the other current agencies of the government,
where it has not necessarily been exercised, but he wanted to retain
that option.
We're going to continue to work with everybody in labor, leaders as
well as the rank and file. It's important to work with them, and we
expect that they will work with us.
Q Page 1 of this morning's New York Times deals with an
American Christian missionary, Ms. Bonnie Penner Witherell (sp), age
31, who was in the prenatal clinic of her mission station inside
Lebanon when she was shot three times in the head from close range
apparently by one of the non-peace-loving Muslims after Sheikh Maher
Hammud (sp) denounced her mission from the pulpit of his mosque. And
my question is, as a born-again Christian, what is the President's
reaction to this and what is he going to do about this murder of an
American citizen?
MR. FLEISCHER: The President is very concerned about all the
violence that is occurring in the region there, and these are grave
causes for concern. The killing of any innocent who is there to do
their work is a matter of concern for our government, and this is part
of the President's focus on trying to bring peace to that region.
Q Ari, does the President in any way agree with Senator
Daschle's denunciation of talk radio? Or does he agree with the
Washington Post media critic, Howard Kurtz, that talk radio has
democratized -- that's small "d" -- has democratized the airwaves,
despite President Clinton's 1994 denunciation of us?
MR. FLEISCHER: What criticism are you referring to specifically?
Q What Senator Daschle said.
MR. FLEISCHER: What are you referring to specifically that he
said?
Q Well, all of -- everything he said. The President doesn't
agree with Daschle, does he, Ari? (Laughter.) Does he, Ari?
MR. FLEISCHER: Let me just say this, Lester. You don't work for
talk radio, do you? (Laughter.)
Q Welcome back, by the way.
MR. FLEISCHER: Thank you for that particular welcome.
I will say that I think it is not appropriate to compare
fundamentalism abroad with people in America who hold deep views about
legitimate democratic political dialogue. There is no connection, and
I think it's not accurate, nor is it appropriate to draw a connection
between the fundamentalism that leads to terrorism abroad, and
Americans on either side of political debate who may hold deeply-held
views in the finest of peaceful American traditions in which we are
free to clash over ideas. There is no comparison.
Q In other words, he totally disagrees with Daschle on this
issue, doesn't he, Ari?
MR. FLEISCHER: I think I've just expressed it.
Q What Daschle quote are you referring to when you make that
statement? When did he compare --
MR. FLEISCHER: The inference of a connection between
fundamentalism abroad and people in the United States, led by talk
radio, who have extremist viewpoints.
Q The terrorism insurance bill tomorrow. Can I ask a
philosophical question and a specific question? The philosophical
question is, why should the federal government be backing up insurance
companies? Why should the government be the insurer of last resort on
things like terrorism?
MR. FLEISCHER: Because terrorism, like acts of war sometimes, are
put in a category in which the implications of a terrorist attack would
have such devastating effect on America's economy, where the federal
government has a role to play. In this case, insurance companies,
because they could be sued -- for example, the owner of the World
Trade Center was subject to liability because terrorists hijacked
airplanes and rammed them into the World Trade Center. The owner of
the World Trade Center could somehow be sued for that under our
system. And insurers reached the point at which they stopped providing
insurance. Many entities throughout America were unable to get the
same level of insurance and had to pay substantially more for the
insurance because the risks of insurance companies providing insurance
in the new age of terrorism became so exorbitant it had a matter of
impact on the national economy.
And so this was a judgment that was made, and Congress agreed with
it, to pass this legislation which would help to make certain that
people got the insurance they needed, with a federal backup.
Q This is not a case where the market ultimately would have
brought things back into balance and taken care of it?
MR. FLEISCHER: I think you can look at this in a similar way that
the administration and the federal government stepped in with the
airlines immediately in the aftermath of the attack. You have a free
market President who also makes certain that we can protect the
American people, both in terms of their jobs and economic security as
well as national security.
Q Let me ask you the specific question. During the campaign, a
number of speeches the President cited a range of economic -- well
-- costs that were being borne right now because of the lack of
terrorism
insurance. Is he confident of all those figures that he was giving
about the billions of dollars of construction --
MR. FLEISCHER: And the 300,000 jobs?
Q -- and all that? Because there were suggestions that a lot
of those were based on trade industry estimates that were really
unscientific and self-interested.
MR. FLEISCHER: Who better to know the impact on the trade industry
than the trade industry. I think they are in the position to have the
most reliable and accurate information about what is happening in their
industry and whether it is suffering or not. And I think that, when
you take a look at many of the reports out of New York City, from
Senator Schumer and from many Democrats about what construction
projects had actually stopped because people couldn't get insurance,
when you take a look at Rockefeller Center, companies there, businesses
there, were paying far more in costs and receiving far less coverage,
it was having a bottom line impact on people. So I think there's a lot
of evidence that's been widely reported backing up those arguments.
Q An Iraq question?
MR. FLEISCHER: We're going to come back forward.
Q The Treasury Secretary confirmed today that the President
will be offering a new economic plan sometime early next year. Beyond
making the tax cuts permanent, what are the President's concern? Is he
concerned about sparking business investment or individual rate cuts?
Can you be a little bit more specific?
MR. FLEISCHER: The President's primary concern is that the nation
continues its economic recovery, and that the economic recovery grows.
The President is concerned about anything that can involve a jobless
recovery. Now, I do want to point out unemployment, in the President's
view, is too high when any one person is trying to find a job and
cannot find one. By historical standards, unemployment remains
relatively low.
I remember in the fall of 1982, for example, the unemployment rate
hit -- I believe it was 10.8 percent. We've had much higher
unemployment. We've had other times where the unemployment rate was
much, much in excess of where it is today. But the President remains
deeply concerned about it. I'm not going to guess or predict whether
the President will or will not make any further proposals on economic
matters. He very well may. We'll see what he ultimately decides to.
And I won't get into what the possible timing may or may not be.
Q Ari, the President gets to sign the homeland security bill
today, but does he remain -- or is he committed to revisiting some of
those provisions that came over in the House version to which so many
of the moderate Democrats, and Republicans especially, objected and
managed to get a pledge from Senator Lott and Speaker Hastert to
revisit those provisions? Does he still want to revisit some of these
provisions?
MR. FLEISCHER: We want to work with the Hill. If the Hill has any
concerns about these matters, we're going to work with the Hill as
Congress moves forward.
Q Does he agree with the offshore provision, should that be
eliminated? The Texas A&M; thing?
MR. FLEISCHER: I'm not going to go through it point by point.
We'll continue to work with the Hill on these issues and see how
widespread any opposition may, indeed, have been. We'll see if it was
something where some people had particular thoughts that were not
reflected with the broader majorities or not.
Q Ari, my congratulations, too. How do you see this
Thanksgiving period different from last? Is the security alert the
same, or higher than usual? And do you see an impatience on the part
of the public to these security procedures?
MR. FLEISCHER: No, I think the public has come to, since September
11th, a very sophisticated understanding of where America stands in the
world, and where we stand in terms of our personal freedoms and
securities. The American people recognize that we're in an age of
terror where our oceans no longer protect us. They also want to live
their lives. They want to live their lives fully. And they want to
contract out their worries to the security experts.
But I think there's no question, the American people, depending on
the time of year and what is in the news, have moments of anxiety in
the world we live in today. And that's why the President has spared no
effort to protect the American people from potential risks. Risks do,
indeed, remain. And this is going to be a long war.
Q Is the alert status the same for Thanksgiving?
MR. FLEISCHER: The alert status is the same.
Q A lot of people are saying that this homeland security bill
represents a fairly significant shift in power from the legislative
branch to the executive branch. Do you agree with that? And if so,
why is such a shift needed?
MR. FLEISCHER: I don't know if it's a shift from legislative to
executive. I think that all benefit as a result of enhanced security
for the American people. Congress continues to have, and will have, a
very strong oversight role. Of course, it is Congress that created
this department of homeland security. It could not have been done
without Congress. And so this something that Congress agrees with.
But to the degree that the federal government has additional tools
to help protect the American people, it is a unique role of the federal
government to provide security for the American people. That is not
something that can be done without the federal government. It is one
of the core missions of the federal government. And so the President
is pleased that he'll be able to sign it today. And he's going to give
thanks to the Congress for making it happen.
Q But there are a lot of things in there that give him a lot of
power that he does not have, as far as moving programs around, you
know, with personnel. Do you not admit that he does have a lot more
power?
MR. FLEISCHER: Well, again, many of the provisions he already had
in other agencies. We've talked about this at length. In the
Department of Agriculture, for example, he had the right to waive
collective bargaining. It just seemed odd that he would not have it at
the homeland security. Of course, in the final measure that was sent
to him, he will have that exact measure that he asked for. But to the
degree that the federal government has more tools at its disposal to
fight terrorism and protect the American people, all the better and all
the safer for the nation.
Q My congratulations also.
MR. FLEISCHER: Thank you.
Q And may it last forever. My question, where does the
administration plan to house the 17,000 homeland security agency
workers who will be here in Washington? And is there a logo for the
new agency?
MR. FLEISCHER: Two points on that, number one, you do not --
you should not assume that all people who work for this agency will be
housed under one roof. It doesn't necessarily work that way in the
literal sense. Their mission and their leadership may be. But keep in
mind, 90 percent of these people currently work outside of Washington,
D.C. in the field. So the issue of a building is not necessarily the
issue involving a mass number of people. It is an issue of keeping all
the people under one roof who are responsible for the policies and the
direction that the department will take.
But there may be some agencies that stay in their current place,
that they already are self-housed. Or they are not housed within their
mother agencies, for example. Other agencies may very well move.
These will be decisions that will get made over the course of this
transition period?
Q Over the weekend the President signed a continuing resolution
to fund the government until January 7th. When the Congress reconvenes
to extend that funding, will the administration support at that time
extending unemployment insurance rather than waiting for Congress to
come back later --
MR. FLEISCHER: Same answer I gave earlier on that question. The
President has concerns about jobless recovery, but I'm not going to
-- at this point predict any of the economic policies the President
may or may not propose.
Q Many Democrats believe that the standoff over homeland
security hurt them at the polls, particularly at Georgia and Missouri.
And some suggest it was even by design on behalf of the White House.
How much do you think President Bush and the Republicans benefitted
politically from homeland security?
MR. FLEISCHER: I'm not in a position to evaluate that. I think
you have to leave that up to the voters and the people who follow
voting trends to make those judgments. But I can assure you, it was
not done by design by the administration. This President has been
pressing Congress for months to pass homeland security along the lines
of what he had proposed. In fact, there was several leading Democrats
that said that the President -- and then they said it publicly, they
wanted to try to get it done by September 11th. And we would have been
very pleased if that was the case.
Q Ari, first of all, why is national security able to afford a
wrinkle in homeland security being formulated for the next few months?
Why is it that the nation -- I guess, you don't understand the
question, the way you're looking --
MR. FLEISCHER: No, I was trying to say if you said a wrinkle or a
winkle. I didn't know what you --
Q Wrinkle --
MR. FLEISCHER: Yes. Number one, the premise of your question is
that the federal government can never change, that if there's a threat
to the government, the status quo must always be good enough because as
soon as you change your status quo, you risk a wrinkle. And the
President never accepts that formulation. He's constantly pushing the
federal government to see what can be done differently to do better and
to do more for the American people.
As I indicated, it is the judgment of the security experts that we
can enhance the security of the country as a result of the creation of
this new department. In terms of the day-to-day work that's being
done, the President is shortly going to sign this bill. The work that
a member of the Border Patrol or the Customs Agency are doing right now
on the border, wearing the same uniform that they're wearing, they'll
be wearing that uniform and doing the same job one minute before the
signing, and be doing the same job one minute after the signing. They
continue to do a very good job protecting America. The question is,
how can we help them and to do more to do it better? That's what the
creation of this department will do.
Q That's the border. What about the inside, if we were
attacked on the inside, like 9/11? Can the United States afford this
wrinkle that will have homeland security formulated totally in the next
months, years it will have, and have the inside of the country
vulnerable?
MR. FLEISCHER: Clearly, it's the judgment of hundreds of Democrats
and Republicans on the Hill -- and look at the margins that this new
department was created by, overwhelming bipartisan support -- and the
concurrence of the security experts, as well as the President that the
answer is, yes, the country, indeed can.
Q Thank you.
MR. FLEISCHER: Thank you.
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